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Of course it would need to be more of a process than a booth. A business with a storefront, a 7-30 day waiting period, a minimum age, etc. That said, why isn't there an opt out? Why must one break the law, risk severe pain and possible survival with disability to opt out?

I'm American for context. We clearly don't value human life here, at all. Empty rhetoric, sure. But never in practice. This would be a win all around given our practiced values.

It could be a business that charges a fee that could be reasonably saved for even in poverty. So the capitalists could get their profit, the only thing our society does value, and the malcontents could get the painless "no thanks" opt out they desperately desire.

Bonus for the glorious job creators: probably most of the people they consider "lazy, lennonist, socialist, marxist commies" would no longer be a nuisance to them. They could count their shillings in peace, without converting new ones.

Really the only reason I can think of that a good capitalist would be against this is that it might reduce the homeless population, our massive tent cities are a purposeful way to scare the workforce into continuing to show up for their jobs.

Do our tent cities of capitalism scarecrows really generate more profit through fear than for profit suicide would through the closest thing to mercy (for profit) a capitalist could approve of?

I think this would be one of those things some in our society fears beforehand, like marijuana dispensaries, but comes to appreciate the presence of once available. A core tenant of claimed capitalist values is that participation is supposedly "voluntary," after all.

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[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Counterpoint: a reality that doesn’t make you want to kill yourself should be a thing that exists.

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

While I agree, doing so is a practical impossibility.

The little club with all the media(aka mass propaganda), governmental, and police state power knows doing so would be against the interests of feeding their insatiable greed disease.

The powerless have proven more content fighting one another for scraps than uniting against them.

The world is what the world is. I know the more idealistic believe they are merely losing the class war, when the reality is the class war was lost decisively half a century ago, without meaningful opposition. This is class occupation.

My proposal would at least add mercy in a way the occupiers might accept, as it benefits them.

[–] MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There are legal solutions to that problem in other countries, just not in America. There is a beer brewing company in the USA that sells a do it yourself kit that's supposed to be pretty foolproof. They sell the kit legally with the pretense that it will be used for beer brewing.

Disclaimer: I am not advocating that anyone takes their own life, although I do view that decision as each person's own business as long as they are sane, have good reasons for it, and are not making an impulsive decision.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm just imagining an unalive attempt that goes horribly wrong but results in a fantastic lager.

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Devil's Reject Lager now on store shelves near you.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 1 year ago

Nearly There IPA

[–] cedarmesa@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

What do you mean isn’t available in America ?

It’s allowed in Oregon if you’re terminal. A few other states allow it as well.

I’m a strong advocate for allowing it. True freedom is making decisions about your destiny.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Soylent Green is people!

[–] weeeeum@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

The issue is that oftentimes when one is suicidal or depressed it causes irrational thinking. This is what makes treatment so hard, it's not as simple as saying "your life is fine, get over it". You have to reconstruct their thinking which is why the most common and arguably effective treatment is CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy)

A suicide booth is no different than free drugs to an addict or vodka to an alcoholic, just faster.

It's cruel and wasted potential for people who could be happy and live a normal and productive life.

[–] Zippy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Don't make it look like a phone booth.

[–] NIB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

This isnt a thing because of religion and capitalism. Religion isnt really relevant for most people nowadays. And since capitalism is using more automation and creates increased inequality, humans are transforming from an asset(potential unit of production) to a liability(potential for rioting).

I think we will see a sharp increase to the normalization of ending someone's life in the next few years/decades. And i am ok with that but it is important to realize that one of the main factors behind this change will be that we are a liability for an endgame capitalism, heavily automated world.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If people are so inclined they can DIY it pretty easily. To make it commercially viable, would require society to encourage this reduction. Most societies do not want to encourage reduction.

Imagining a future we where we had serious food scarcity, or energy scarcity, where we couldn't support the current population. I could see society creating a bunch of the Futurama type of opt-out booths everywhere. Just to get the numbers down

[–] ourladyofrats@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

In the US, we have an aging population that is more aware of what we may face as we have more extra years of failing health. I would predict that offering the option after a certain age should become more socially acceptable. My husband and I would like to eventually go out together, but right now we'd have to go to Switzerland to do so. I wish I'd see more people discussing this, but I haven't.