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In light of Nexus Mods and Mod DB banning the No Pronouns mod for Starfield, I figured I would look around for alternative sources and collect them in one place for others' convenience. This seems like a good place to put them.

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[–] _jonatan_@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Truly a pathetic mod for pathetic people

[–] firebreathingbunny@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Why do you care? How does it affect you? Do you comment on every mod that doesn't appeal to you and that you don't intend to use?

[–] Poopfeast420@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If that's your argument, why do you care about the choice of pronouns? How does it affect you?

It's not an argument. It's a series of questions that you failed to answer.

[–] blunderworld@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same arguments people use when pronouns are important to them. Guess were not so different after all!

It's not the same argument because I have answers for the personal pronoun pushers but you people have no answers for me.

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago
[–] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The right calls people snowflakes and then loses their mind when someone offers an option for pronouns. An option. You can still pick cis pronouns. Gtf outta here.

[–] firebreathingbunny@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You are currently losing your mind because I offered an option to take out the trash.

[–] squid@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol the mod makes everyone non binary 🤣🤣 the right are getting woke

[–] firebreathingbunny@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There's no such thing as a non-binary person any more than there is such a thing as personal pronouns. The game can't make a character into something that literally doesn't exist.

[–] squid@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well the mod you want will not align genetic gender to they're perceived gender. Also were playing a game that introduces magic... I'm sure you can suspend your believe for pronounce.

[–] firebreathingbunny@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The mod does what it's supposed to by removing the nonsensical concept of personal pronouns that doesn't objectively exist in the real world. A slightly more involved mod would rename body types A and B to male and female and set the appropriate pronouns accordingly. I'll post that, too, when it comes out.

[–] squid@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No such thing as objectivity, we live in the abstract and we give meaning. Pronounced are more of a respectful approach, if your friend said "don't call me "(insert what ever)" I find it is disrespectful", you'd stop, same for disabilities, where I'm from we had lots of derogatory names for disabled people and most people will not use those names as its disrespectful.

You are witnessing the natural progression of language, kick and scream all you want but well be there with you or without you

[–] firebreathingbunny@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Biology is objective. The rules of English grammar are objective. You are wrong per both.

[–] Eggyhead@artemis.camp 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, the absurdity of your argument that a sci-fi space rpg can’t meet your standards of “reality” because of a mere ignorable, pre-existing and commonly used pronoun aside, I’m going to have to step in on this particularly low-hanging morsel…

The rules of English grammar are objective.

If English grammatical rules were objective, we’d all still be talking the way people did way before Shakespeare. Actually, Shakespeare’s writings wouldn’t exist today if English grammar wasn’t at all subjective because he flat out made up a ton of words and phrases we still use today. Also, you’ve heard of poetry, right?

“It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” (Macbeth, Act 5, Scene 5)

[–] firebreathingbunny@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Which grammar rule changed since Shakespeare's time? The reason students can still read and understand Shakespeare's works is that the grammar remains the same. Congratulations, you owned yourself.

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ironically, one of the biggest changes from Shakespeare’s time and now concerned pronouns. We stopped using “thou/thee” as the informal 2nd person and began to only use what had been the formal 2nd person, “you,” and stopped using the verb conjugations for them.

Meanwhile, the 3rd person singular “they” has been in use since Chaucer’s time.

[–] firebreathingbunny@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You don't even know the difference between vocabulary and grammar. You're dismissed.

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My brother in Christ; I’M AN ENGLISH TEACHER.

If you don’t understand how “we lost an entire pronoun and the verb inflection that went with it” is in fact grammar, I don’t even know what to tell you.

[–] firebreathingbunny@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'M AN ENGLISH TEACHER.

Apparently not a very good one, because:

  • You don't know the difference between vocabulary and grammar.
  • You don't know that appeal to authority is a logical fallacy.
  • You don't know what being dismissed means.

Bye.

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And you, sir, are what my momma likes to call “loud and wrong.”

[–] Eggyhead@artemis.camp 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just off the top of my head: In some US dialects, rather than a single word changing between negative and positive form (e.g. “I didn’t take any pictures”), instead an entire sentence is shifted into a negative mode (“I didn’t take no pictures”). Traditional grammar rules would dictate that as a double negative, implying the speaker did in fact take pictures, but only an idiot would actually choose interpret it that way.

Next, we have the impact of the internet. “lol” might occasionally be spoken aloud in many circumstances as a substitute for “that’s funny” or something similar. Colloquial written English is all over the place. We now not only use “lol”, but “fwiw,” “afaik,” and many others.

Then there’s emoji. We’re basically using glyphs to express ideas, not unlike how kanji works, and traditional rules of grammar don’t always apply when you’re expressing an idea through pictures, though it’s interesting when it does. Animated GIFs and memes often butcher grammar rules without sacrificing any understanding of intent.

A simple google search turns up many more examples than I could possibly be aware of.

Now it’s your turn. Feel free to explain why you think using “they” as a singular pronoun applies as a grammar rule violation in the 21st century. If you can’t use more than a typical snarky one or two-liner, you should just consider this argument lost and rethink your life.

[–] firebreathingbunny@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Dialects aren't the actual language. They're just wilful ignorance.

And, again, vocabulary isn't grammar.

[–] Eggyhead@artemis.camp 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dialects aren't the actual language. They're just wilful ignorance.

Say everyone bakes a potato. If your neighbor baked theirs differently than you, would that mean they’re ignorant?

And, again, vocabulary isn't grammar.

Good for you? No one said it was.

[–] firebreathingbunny@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

False analogy. You're hopeless. Go back to school.

[–] Eggyhead@artemis.camp 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You probably don’t even know what an actual school looks like.

[–] firebreathingbunny@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right. I learned about false analogies in the streets.

You're dismissed.

[–] Eggyhead@artemis.camp 1 points 1 year ago

I'll be waiting until you have an actual argument to make. Until then, maybe reconsider where you get your "information".

[–] squid@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes they are objective but every year a new dictionary comes out with new words and meanings, this is humanity turning the abstract into meaning. I'd like to see you get by with the vocabulary of a 16th century Brit.

[–] firebreathingbunny@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

English grammar doesn't change without the consent of the majority. You lose.

[–] squid@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You don't seem to be in the majority buddy

I am. The billions of English speakers in the third world overwhelmingly reject western degeneracy and cultural imperialism. Nobody's buying what you're selling.

[–] SeeJayEmm@lemmy.procrastinati.org 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is the first I'm hearing of it and I'm so confused. Is this just at character creation? Why was it removed?

Is this mod for people who are triggered because the field isn't free form and the only choices are he/she/they? Or people who are triggered because the sheer existence of a they option is an anathema to their existence?

Even the argument in the comments is so vague it sheds no light.

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is this mod for people who are triggered because the field isn’t free form and the only choices are he/she/they? Or people who are triggered because the sheer existence of a they option is an anathema to their existence?

People triggered because of a they option in character creation. Basically, for folks like this dude.

Thanks for clarifying.

[–] Awkwardparticle@artemis.camp 3 points 1 year ago

There is a prominent movement where people don't want to see LGBTQA+ people anywhere. They don't want queer people to exist in their world. It makes them very mad to be exposed to the existence of LGBTQA+ people.
I personally think that they are just some queer people in denial, thinking they are going to catch the gay. Those gay thoughts aren't going to go away for these people no matter how they cater their reality.

[–] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, thanks. That's your game.

[–] mephiska@artemis.camp 3 points 1 year ago

Triggered bigot mod.