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Looking for data about company ownership network (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago by inspxtr@lemmy.world to c/datahoarder@lemmy.ml

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I’m looking for a data archive of corporation ownership networks. For example, Alphabet owns Google, … and some metadata like when they are created/owned by Alphabet if possible. I was made aware of OpenCorporates but it doesn’t seem to have such data as far as I tried.

Apologies in advance if this is not an appropriate content for the community. I figured digital archivists may be aware of the existence of such archive. I couldn’t find a specific lemmy community solely for asking about data suggestions. If there’s a community better suited for this post, please let me know.

Thanks!

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[–] perviouslyiner@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

WikiData is a database-oriented version of Wikipedia intended for categorising relations between concepts.

For example, Google (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q95) is "owned by" XXVI Holdings (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q100292691) since 2017.

XXVI Holdings similarly shows that it is owned by Alphabet Inc (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q20800404), which is owned by a list of people and entities with various different voting rights.

There is also the "Parent Organisation" relation (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P749) which links Google to Alphabet directly.

These should all be computer-readable.

[–] inspxtr@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thanks, this is a great idea! With a quick look, this seems possible for big enough organizations, but might be spotty for others. I’ll take a closer look. Would be nice if there’s linkage to other database, such as the other commenter’s suggestion of littlesis.

[–] rah@feddit.uk 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://littlesis.org/ ?

[–] inspxtr@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

thanks! I was actually looking at it at some point, though I’m not sure how updated this is for lesser known corps.

I was looking at IAC and Matchgroup (aka owner of Tinder), they’re supposed to be separated but in littlesis it says IAC owns 85% stake. I’m also looking into products they own, eg Tinder, which is not available on littlesis. It’d be interesting if somehow this can Wikidata can be linked.

[–] cmd@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would also be really interested in a dataset like this. Institutional investors for public companies are sometimes listed in the SEC 10k form, but I have yet to fully learn the structure of these documents. Someone intelligent could probably make a web crawler to scrape institutional and single person ownership of companies from SEC filings. Ideally with a proper dataset like this you could map out who owns each company, and who owns each of the owning companies etc. which would be really interesting information.

[–] cmd@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t currently have adequate understanding of different SEC FORMS, and although I can use python I have no experience writing web crawlers at the moment.

[–] inspxtr@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I dont have any experience with understanding SEC forms either. Is there a repository for SEC forms? Or do you imagine looking at all companies website to mine for those forms?

[–] cmd@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

SEC has the Edgar database where you can lookup any company and access there different SEC forms, but you still need to know which forms to look for the information in. For example, the 10k of one company had the ownership informing of top shareholders, but I wasn’t able to find that info in the 10k of another company (possibly because I didn’t know where to look). I know you can use EDGAR database to at least lookup these forms, but I do not know the full capabilities of the database (such as if you can query for ownership directly) because I just discovered it the other day.

[–] cmd@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

It looks like EDGAR has a rest API and a full text search as well

[–] rattmatz@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would think this would be a kind of question for an OSINT community. It would be worth reposting the question there.

[–] inspxtr@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

thanks for the suggestion! ~~Which osint community should I post to? Is it the lemmy world one?~~ done