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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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ORGANIZATIONS

Black Lives Matter

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NAACP

National Police Accountability Project

Say Their Names

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[–] Weslee@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh look, not a drag queen... again...

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Those drag queens keep not doing terrible things. It's like an un-crime wave!

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am curious when they knew about the 2014 allegations. I dislike waiting 10 years to charge someone.

[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My bet is he had some type of proof on the phone when they looked for evidence on the other charges

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s a fair point.

My concern is they did nothing until the child porn came to light and then they added it.

[–] jeremy@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder if maybe the photos invalidated a previously solid alibi?

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No clue but I’m intrigued. This is could he a solid example of the police problem.

It’s like they knew about it and did nothing.

[–] Bizarroland@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And what they should do is throw him right in federal pound you in the ass prison. The fact that you get fired after that should be absolutely secondary to the main issue.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

He has to be convicted first.

Most likely it’s a state crime he’s being charged with. State prisons are much worse than federal Prisons.

I don’t want prisons to be shitholes but they are and if convicted he’ll learn why we need reform in our prison sentence.

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Rule 1 reminder: Real-life decorum is expected. Please don't say things only a child or a jackass would say in person.

Specifically, prison rape is a human rights problem, not a joke.

[–] Bizarroland@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I mean, I understand where you're coming from and you can sanction or down vote me for this but when it comes to pedophiles I don't really feel like any decorum is warranted, and in my not so humble opinion that goes double for pedophile police officers.

I will be much more cautious about that in the future though

[–] jeremy@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Remember, not everyone who is accused IS guilty. A fifteen year old kid can be charged with producing child pornography for sending Richard Pics to someone, or even just TAKING them.
And somewhere there is probably a priest who never touched a kid but was accused. Maybe.

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That last bit cracked me up. :)

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

No worries, and thanks. :)

[–] FUCKRedditMods@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Crazy how often these guys look exactly like stereotype child molesters, from the weak chin/features to the glasses

[–] blargerer@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Child Sexual Abuse Material or CSAM is the correct term for it.