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The Conservative grassroots voted overwhelmingly to restrict gender-affirming care for trans youth under the age of 18 on Saturday.

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[–] MrGG@lemmy.ca 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So the Conservative party, for the next election, offers: a) blowing up the economy to further enrich the 1%; and b) fucking over trans people. Wow, that is so appealing 🙄

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 53 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You forgot: c) neutering the healthcare system to make it more like the US.

[–] MrGG@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

PP actually lucked out there and doesn't need to plan to take action on it because the provinces are already doing a fine job of dismantling their respective healthcare systems

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

because conservative provinces are already doing a fine job

FTFY

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

BC's health care system is in bad shape too. Unless you're saying bc is conservative, which I would disagree with.

[–] Lem453@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

BC government is doing more to fix it than any other provincial government.

Well, it's not exactly progressive.

[–] willybe@lemmy.ca 47 points 1 year ago

pp's answer to COL is not to increase minimum wage, not create affordable avenues for buying housing, but to lower the price of oil. To create more pipelines to get tar-sands "oil" to market, and subsidize the oil companies to produce greener options.

This hypocrite is a corporate stooge. A fascist pig, dolled up to appeal to the dim witted. A God's man that will shove his religious shit down or throats.

Yeah, I'm triggered by this bullshit

[–] Ulrich_the_Old@lemmy.ca 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The CPC are basically the Canadian trump party now.

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For rather short values of "always". The current federal Conservatives are Preston Manning's Reform Party with different logos, no real relation to the federal Progressive Conservatives who preceded them. (Not that the PCs were that much better—I'm leery of claiming they were more socially centrist without doing research on their actual policies at the time of collapse—but there isn't a lot of them in the current party's DNA.)

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Fair enough and that's a fun discussion... but I was replying to someone who said CPC, not all historical federal 'conservative' parties. The old PC/Reform split allowed for conservatives and right liberals to belong to different parties. Different times, policy wise though I think you're right, the PC party is dead and gone in the CPC. I wonder where their voters went.

[–] Sir_Osis_of_Liver@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

👋. I was a member of the federal PCs back in the day. I worked on both Mulroney campaigns, voted for him once, and even voted for Kim Campbell. I continued to support the party until the Reform takeover. Moderate PCs were very much made to feel unwelcomed, and I didn't support most of what became policy.

I've been voting Liberal since. Which was a big jump for me. But the CPC aren't conservative. They're right-wing, populist reactionaries.

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A right proper Tory as I live and breathe, I thought you all went extinct when Peter MacKay turned over the keys.

I'm just kidding with you, I feel like your story is probably common enough with people who were considered red Tories back in those days.

[–] jtsk2009@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And Conservatives want to be the gatekeepers over peoples health decisions.

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 year ago

Anyone who thinks personal, private health decisions are safe under conservative governments are fooling themselves. It's all just timing and they're willing to wait decades to get what they want. A quick look south confirms it.

[–] darq@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They want a small government.

Specifically small enough to fit in your doctor's office, your bedroom, and your womb.

[–] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

And your children's underwear.

[–] MisterD@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

IOW: Sorry voters but you can't have affordable housing or livable wages until we get rid of all the LGBT people.

If this true, we have been infected by the MAGA virus

[–] nicktron@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago

We were infected shortly after 2016.

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Social issues are not a distraction, the idea that they are is exactly an example of normative privilege.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He's trying to increase privilege disparity.

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course he is, it's right there in the name, what are Conservatives trying to conserve ? While modern society is by no means one of no or minimal disparity, I'd say we've made meaningful advances towards a less disparate society in many ways. Conservatism is about conserving the traditional social and economic systems, it is not about progress, slow progress, careful progress or anything else that folks have diluted themselves into believing. Where conservatism is unable to conserve the traditional systems, it will seek to restore them when they have the power to do so. Understanding that their political message is unappealing to many, they will of course deny this, but one only needs to look at countries where conservatism has consolidated power to see the truth. Historically marginalized people will never be safe from conservative political forces so long as those forces have a legitimate chance to gain power. They will work to restore privilege disparity and erase hard fought gains won over decades or even longer. No area of human rights is safe from prolonged conservative rule, not women's rights to healthcare and civic participation, not LGBT rights to marriage, privacy, open participation in society and healthcare, not workers rights to safe workplaces, and certainly not any historically marginalized group hoping for a hand up in seeking employment or education.

[–] Rocket@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

what are Conservatives trying to conserve ?

A party with the name Conservative. That is all. The Reform Party, as they were originally known, has never pretended to be conservative with respect to governance.

[–] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let's not forget that glorious period where they were called the Conservative Reform Alliance. Which everybody in the world instantly turned into the Conservative Reform Alliance Party.

[–] Rocket@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For the sake of the next reader who might entertain repeating this: Technically it was the Canadian Conservative Reform Alliance, or CCRAP.

[–] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Canadian CRAP, yes. Absolutely. It was Canadian CRAP.

[–] Tired8281@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago

I love how they are all about bodily autonomy, until someone wants to use it in a way they don't like.