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  1. We're trying to improving working conditions and pay.

  2. We're trying to reduce the numbers of hours a person has to work.

  3. We talk about the end of paid work being mandatory for survival.

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[–] bob_lemon@feddit.de 170 points 1 year ago

Nina learned a valuable lesson that day: never show your boss how much time you actually need to produce results.

[–] Roundcat@kbin.social 158 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Make the job as easy as you can for yourself, and TELL NO ONE!

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I had odd side tasks at a few previous jobs that while I couldn't automate them per se, I created some combination of spreadsheets and parameter-driven drawings/models that greatly reduced the time and all but eliminated errors.

The first time I did something like that, I was young and dumb and showed my boss and their management team. As a reward, I was given a ton more work and expected to do it all in less time, even though what I'd created was only applicable to about 10% of it. Then when I couldn't meet that workload, I was berated and had my "helper" spreadsheet and drawing made fun of in a meeting.

After that I made a similar sheet to help on a different task and only told a coworker friend...who then proceeded to tell management about it and take credit for making it. Karma being a bitch, though, he was just given more work to make up for that efficiency as well, and a few months later some of the variables changed and he was totally unable to fix the built in formulae to account for it, so it was basically useless to him, but he still had the work.

After that I just never told a soul about anything like that until maybe if I was leaving the job.

At my very last job before my current one, I had developed a 3D model that accepted a string of about 30 parameters and, as long as there were no conflicts, spit out a model that was 95% of the way to complete for maybe 60% of my normal workload, and as long as it was successful, it came with an associated drawing template that also auto-populated most of my work there...so basically taking a little bit over half my normal work and making it at least 75% faster. A game changer.

I sat on that shit for the last 9 months I worked there, using it, improving it, adding features on my own time, troubleshooting issues, etc. Said nothing to my boss or my one other coworker until literally the day I gave my notice. I figured it'd help my coworker handle the increased workload until they hired my replacement (but didn't want that asshole to get credit for my work) so I showed both him and my boss at the same time.

At first, both acted unimpressed and uninterested. After a few days though, my coworker was using it and quickly they realized the value. Instead of thanking me and asking how it worked and could be improved, they just told me "Use the time you have left to improve this to work on every possible variant of the type of part it works on, and also develop an equivalent for the (totally different) type of part your coworker makes. Have it done before your last day."

I had like 4 days left.

So I literally just said, "No, not going to do that. It took me months to get this one where it is, and it's stable and works on most cases. Trying to add that much to it in 4 days might break it. There's just not enough time, so no, I'm going to finish my backlog of work and clean up my desk area for the next few days and that will be it."

[–] Dettweiler42@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"If you want me to develop something like that, here is my consulting rate. Yes, I know it's more than 5x my currently hourly rate. I can have a contract put together for you by my last day."

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

My dad does this with Banks and The Military. He charges anyone else a mere $300 an hour for his expertise, but if you're a bank or part of the military industrial complex his rate automatically quadruples. They pay it too. He's one of the only people left that is FLUENT in COBOL

[–] Isthisreddit@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Honestly it sounds like the management there lacked the vision to truly appreciate the gift you gave them.

They could harness such a tool for years to come, but it sounds like it was a small department anyway so who knows

[–] throws_lemy@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago

Yup. yup, you should enjoy your free time. And send the email right before the deadline

[–] potoo22@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Words to live by

[–] pixxelkick@lemmy.world 131 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Sign of a shit manager/boss, usually.

Good boss who sees this will go "oh thank God now you have your time freed up to do that thing you've been telling me we really need to get around to doing", cuz there's always at least like, 5 to 10 of those on the backlog anyways.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seriously this.

Been in the industry for going on 15 years. Never happened the way this comic makes it out to be.

There is always work to be done. That employee ends up being a tech lead or IC and promoted.

Companies don't fire a whole team. They'll find ways to maximize that solution that automates a lot of work. Oh, you can automate a DB? Can you automate more things or train others to do the same?

And the whole team gets better and more creative work. I've watched my team evolve over and over. Ive jumped to a bunch of companies and continue seeing it happen.

It's hard enough getting good devs, so unless you work at a shit company, many hire real slow and often don't fire devs unless they're real bad apples.

And finally - Who the fuck wants to spend 8 hours making SQL queries manually? If your 40 hour job can be automated with a script, you're going to be unemployable regardless.

[–] socsa@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, this is completely unrealistic. No tenured IT professional is just going to announce that they've doubled workflow efficiency overnight. They'll slow play the improvements until it becomes absolutely necessary to reveal them, and then act like they've been putting in extra work when in reality they've been spending 6 hours a day writing new Quake 3 mods.

[–] BNE@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago

As they should. These people don't care about us.

[–] unfreeradical@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

There are no good bosses.

The system is shit.

[–] smollittlefrog@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If they really needed to get around to doing that, the boss would've already hired another employee to do that task.

Not doing so implies that paying someone just for that task wouldn't be worth it.

That does not change when a worker becomes available from somewhere else.

[–] pixxelkick@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If they really needed to get around to doing that, the boss would’ve already hired another employee to do that task.

This one made me laugh pretty hard, very great joke hahahaha

(Almost always, no, no one was hired to do the thing, its been on the backlog for a year now but everyone is way too busy to do it)

[–] smollittlefrog@lemdro.id -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If the boss has no problem keeping it on the backlog forever, then apparently it isn't an issue worth dealing with.

[–] hedgehog@ttrpg.network 3 points 1 year ago

You missed the part where the employee was the one saying it was important, not the boss. And a lot of those tasks aren’t things you can just hand off to a new person, anyway - e.g., tech debt on software.

[–] An_Ugly_Bastard@lemmy.world 67 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My job never wanted to fire people. They just made working conditions so poor that people quit.

[–] Ryumast3r@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

In the US this is called constructive dismissal. It's a tactic used by employers to get away with firing someone but not getting hit by unemployment insurance payments.

The good news for workers is, it still counts as being fired and you still qualify for unemployment if you "quit" under these conditions.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is what most places I've been at did even when I was the newbie in the OP

"Oh, you helped us with some basic IT knowledge and can do even more for us later if we keep you and don't treat you like shit? How about I get 6in or less from your face and scream so loudly that your ears ring a little when I'm done?"

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would punch that person in the face, justifiably.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm 6'4" and this dude was taller and bigger than me + ex-hockey and still regularly coached and taught said sport

As much as he would have deserved it, I'm 100% certain I'd have lost that fight

I instead quit on the spot and reported that place to corporate (who straight up told me I was the one in the wrong) as well as OSHA and a few others for various reasons like not having ladders on their docks despite 3 different people falling in and nearly drowning in 1 month

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I see, I see. Weird, the biggest guys are often gentle. Understandable to not retaliate, but totally right to report them.

[–] socsa@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's assault. Record that next time and get yourself a settlement.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

So I actually reached out to a lawyer with a couple other employees over this guy and his wife (they also illegally evicted a couple of people and did some other shit) and the guy worked with us for like a month before disappearing from the face of the earth

If I wasn't so busy going to job interviews that never call me back I might have time to find a new lawyer for this but as for now it's on the backburner

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Next time they do that, get a hammer, and wreck his fucking mouth.

Abusing your employees should hurt in ways doctors can't fix.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or don't, if you're a stable human being.

[–] Pyroglyph@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I guess the username checks out though..?

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] silentslinky@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't know, I've always prescribed to the notion on giving your best effort, whatever form that comes in given the circumstances of the day.

Not for the sake of the company, but for you. There's a quote from the Cradle series by Will Wight, "There are a million Paths in this world, but any sage will tell you they can all be reduced to one. Improve yourself."

I don't want to give my employer, who recieves the bulk of my productive hours, the influence to control how much I challenge myself.

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The thing is, you can just use whatever resources you don't need for your job in some place where the principle you mentioned applies.

[–] silentslinky@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Touché, I do spend the first hour of my work day studying or working on educational projects.

I spend 50% on things that make my life less annoying while at work. That might be research that is vaguely related to work but entertaining to me or it might be writing automation tools so I can work less. I have never given someone else my full effort. Except my spouse of course.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

This is an interesting perspective. I've seen both sides of the coin. I've personally had hard work pay off significantly and at the same time it is what I wanted to do personally to challenge myself. I didn't have to.

I've also seen incredibly hard workers lied to and promised things only later to be told did you get it in writing?

It is hard to have your perspective when the job is menial, imo. Not a ton of personal growth as a garbage man or general laborer.

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nice, Cradle in the wild. I'm two books down currently

[–] silentslinky@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Enjoy the ride. It only gets better.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

I don't find this comic funny. Too real.

[–] aeternum@kbin.social 39 points 1 year ago

never do more work than you need to. only do enough work to not get fired.

[–] flango@lemmy.eco.br 14 points 1 year ago

Cute cartoon (*♡∀♡).

[–] c0mmando@links.hackliberty.org -1 points 1 year ago