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[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 91 points 1 year ago (10 children)

i’m sure the free market will solve this. we just need to wait for a new company to pop up, make a new operating system, ensure windows programs are properly emulated, convince the majority of people and businesses to use it, and then use its new monopoly for good.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 57 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Free market ideas always sounded like cartoon level intelligence to me. Some kind of a perfect world where everyone acts morally and people are well informed and chooses the right companies etc.

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

its really absurd. it becomes even stupider when considering that many of these assumptions allow mathematical models to be built on top of them, and then those models are treated with such importance and authority. but then they sometimes also get the math wrong. i remember learning a while back that part of the 2009 housing crash was caused by faulty mathematics laid ontop of these weird economic assumptions. the part im talking about is:

The paper, generally referred to as the Dahlem report, condemns a growing reliance over the past three decades on mathematical models that improperly assume markets and economies are inherently stable, and which disregard influences like differences in the way various economic players make decisions, revise their forecasting methods and are influenced by social factors.

the first part refers to a kind of "smoothness assumption", where they approximate the bumpy, jagged graph with a "smooth" curve that is easier to analyze. but it turned out the bumps were there for a reason. oops! the second part of the quote then says that in addition to the faulty smoothness assumption, there were quite a few important things the model flat out ignored

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It doesn't require people to act morally, it requires them to act according to their long term self interest, assuming they are... immortal. And we all know human beings are omniscient and immortal. So no problem. /s

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[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

2024 is the year of the linux desktop!

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

I mean operating systems are free to be entirely honest

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[–] johnthedoe@lemmy.ml 77 points 1 year ago (2 children)

MS screwing us with software. Apple screwing us with hardware upgrades. Linux out there taking all survivors

[–] gk99@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Linux suffers from being a patchwork of hobbyists updates, corporate additions, and patchy distro support. When it comes down to it, if you have an issue, you either have to solve it on your own or hope and pray the elitists on StackOverflow are in a good mood.

Honestly, every OS kinda sucks.

[–] Nefyedardu@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Patchwork" sounds like a good way to describe Windows as well. Or at least it was when I was a Windows 10 sysadmin and there were two different settings menus to do everything.

[–] Thrift3499@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Control panel and Settings, right? It got on my nerves as well.

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[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

Apple and Microsoft support aren't exactly awesome, either, unless you're a big business with deep pockets. At least with Linux, the system is open, so if there is a way to solve my problem, someone has almost certainly found it already and added it to Arch Wiki or Stack Overflow or something.

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[–] Cube6392@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wait what's apple been up to?

[–] zero_gravitas@aussie.zone 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Broadly: Constructing their hardware so it's impossible to repair or upgrade by anyone but them (or at all), then lobbying against any attempts to legislate the 'right to repair'.

Check out the work of Louis Rossmann for details.

[–] Cube6392@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh I thought this was something new they were doing. Same old shit they've always been up to. Got it

[–] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago

My favourite is making the nvme drive accessible, but soldering the actual memory controller to the mainboard, so this ability to swap the drive is utterly useless to us.

[–] zero_gravitas@aussie.zone 7 points 1 year ago

Well the latest development is that Apple is now going to support the current right to repair bill in California, but people are rightfully suspicious that they're going to get some loopholes written in or otherwise neuter the bill.

An article: https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/24/apple_california_right_repair/

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[–] pmarcilus@discuss.tchncs.de 55 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Now having Linux install in my machine, I don't have to deal with wins bs ever again. It's great that I made the right decision 5y ago

[–] eleitl@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] AzuleBlade@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You rockin' Hannah Montana Linux?

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[–] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

High time for another antitrust, huh

[–] MazonnaCara89@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's the problem

  • they are making harder to change the default browser on windows, and broke workaround by chrome and firefox too.
  • they don't let you uninstall edge in easy way or without a third party software.
  • if you download another browser from edge they try to persuade you in to giving edge a try.
  • they are planning to set edge as the default browser on teams.
  • they don't give you an easy way to open with another browser the internet result from the windows search bar, they broke EdgeDeflector many times indeed.

And nobody is doing something about it!

[–] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The US government really doesn't give a shit, does it. Maybe the EU?

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[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's sad, because Edge is actually a pretty good browser, but all this shit just makes everyone hate it.

Also, every Google page I visit gives me an annoying "Download Chrome now!" popup, so MS i guess is just using the same strategy Google used.

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[–] recycledbits@discuss.tchncs.de 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

“We are aware of these reports and have paused this notification while we investigate and take appropriate action to address this unintended behavior,” says Caitlin Roulston, director of communications

"""unintended"""?

How do you implement shit like this by mistake and push it out to be executed on people's computers by mistake?

[–] z3n0x@feddit.de 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“I slipped and programmed a pop up. Whoopsiedaisy”

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[–] Doug7070@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

The unintended part was people noticing and it making it into the news cycle, everything else was very clearly exhaustively planned and intended.

[–] derivator@feddit.de 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's because they're a malware company:

this has been going on in several different forms for years now so I’m just counting the days until the next annoying pop-up appears.

The solution is to not use their products. Use Linux.

[–] theskyisfalling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I would use Linux if my primary reasons for using a computer worked properly. Games are a lot better these days than it was and always improving so there is light at the end of the tunnel in that respect but Traktor DJ software not so much.

As far as I know the only alternative on Linux is mixxx and that was just no where near as good the last time I used it. Maybe it is time to try it again......

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[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Not saying it's okay in any way but Google does this with Chrome all the time on Amy Google page

[–] olympus@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Guys, I keep reading this, but it's not the same thing. At all. You don't want to get Google's crap? You don't visit their crap websites. There are so many websites in this world to visit to avoid Google's crap. You just don't type anything with google on it in your address bar. The only way to avoid Microsoft's crap is to install another operating system in your desktop or laptop. It's just not the same thing. At all.
Microsoft should be forced to do what they have forced Google to do in Android. At least where I live, in EU. Ballon tips to have the option to use another browser and an option to disable Edge and all the crap asking all the time to use Edge. Like the android ballon tip and the option we have to at least disable Android Chrome.

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[–] Polkira@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's a lot easier to switch internet browsers than it is to switch operating systems.

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[–] MazonnaCara89@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (10 children)

But at least you don't pay chrome, with windows instead you need to pay a license to use it.

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[–] Doug7070@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The fact that Microsoft's constantly more aggressive use of their OS platform to artificially push their search and cloud platforms hasn't triggered multiple huge antitrust cases is a pretty dire indicator of how little regulators are willing or able to safeguard the public from monopolistic behavior by large tech companies.

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[–] 7777AKA@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

Well windows is malware OS so nothing new

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Install Linux, problem solved

[–] MazonnaCara89@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My work computer is macOS and I've never seen a recommendation to use Bing despite using a ton of Microsoft products for work.

My personal computers run Linux, and again, no MS spam.

So yeah, don't use Windows and you won't get MS spam. You should probably also use DuckDuckGo or another privacy-centric search engine.

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[–] shiveyarbles@beehaw.org 14 points 1 year ago

They need to ask the question "will you ever choose to use a Microsoft browser?" and then remember the answer and stop the nagging. For me the answer is no.

[–] zik@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

When does it stop being "malware-like" and end up being just malware?

[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Slack successfully made Microsoft stop bundling Teams in Microsoft Office through an anti-competition complaint. I'm surprised Google lets them get away with abusing the Windows product as a platform for promoting a search engine. My best guess for why they don't is that the promotion isn't working.

[–] jungekatz@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I need to move my system to linux , however there is data on my system i need to backup, any way I can do that ?.

[–] ZILtoid1991@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you have a desktop, buy a second drive. You might even can use your Windows installation for apps with no (good) Linux alternatives.

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[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

External hard drive is probably the cheapest/easiest solution. You can also try a cloud service like dropbox, Google Drive, etc.

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

At the moment I use Windows 10, in the past Windows 7 also along with Kubuntu and others. I think that W10 is the last usable OS from M$, because of this I am not going to update it to W11, the following W12 and the online version for monthly subscription, are going to gradually take over the user's sovereignty over their own PC, with absolute control over it. I am going to continue W10, the gutted version that I use, until support ends in 2025 (probably 2026-27 due to the large number of users), then we will see what there is then as an alternative. Maybe I'll install some distro in dual boot in the meantime, but being online 99% of the time, where the OS used is irrelevant, it doesn't bother me that much at the moment. Anyway I don't use Google or Bing for obvious reasons and none of their services.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


“We are aware of these reports and have paused this notification while we investigate and take appropriate action to address this unintended behavior,” says Caitlin Roulston, director of communications, in a statement to The Verge.

I wasn’t alone in thinking it was malware, with posts dating back three months showing Reddit users trying to figure out why they were seeing the pop-up.

Microsoft even had to backtrack on plans to force the Chrome default search to Bing for businesses installing its Office apps.

After all, Google runs similar notifications on its webpages to get people to use Chrome or it’s annoying YouTube premium spam.

That could be in the form of the price of a laptop that has a Windows OEM license baked in, or a product key if you built your own PC.

Windows is an important productivity tool for many people, and shouldn’t be treated like a cheap streaming box loaded with ads.


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