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Would you all explain to me how removing content we expect to have access to is a "cost savings" measure?

The following is from the Willow Wikipedia page, which led me to the linked URL:

The series was removed from Disney+ on May 26, 2023, amidst a Disney+ and Hulu content removal purge as part of a broader cost cutting initiative under Disney CEO Bob Iger.

I've been abroad for a month and earned some time off afterwards. One of my kids reminded me that we never finished Willow, so I said "let's do it now!" The show wasn't perfect for many reasons, but I wanted to finish it for nostalgia's sake and my child legit found it interesting. Lo and behold, the series isn't on Disney+ any more!

A quick search later, I see the above referenced quote linking to the article associated with this post... which only made things worse. The Mysterious Benedict Society was something my whole family could watch and enjoy without arguments! Turner and Hooch was dorky, but something my youngest loved and it was a super safe and easy pick for us bond over.

This post isn't about whether the shows are good. And it isn't about how nearly every show I like ends up cancelled. The point is that I paid for access, they were then quietly removed (for various platforms), and I have zero understanding as to how this saves these companies money.

Would someone explain?

P. S. Yes, I know this is old news. However, this is just how I am. I'm not up to date with anything in the entertainment world. I intentionally wait a few seasons for things because I loath when shows are cancelled after a season. (I'm looking at you, Firefly.) I'm the same way with books, often waiting to read a trilogy after its published because I don't like the wait in between books. (Thanks, Rothfuss).

I just don't take cancellation wells, especially when I was on top of everything including summer podcasts and such. (Now anything with the names Abrams, Lindelof, or Cuse makes my skin crawl.)

I know. I'm weird and stuff.

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

For streaming, much like every other distribution, rights aren't free. I don't know the exact details, but I suppose (and if I'm wrong, please correct me) companies have to pay a percentage of their income, or fixed price, every month, to keep the show on their catalogue.

There is also the idea shows with low viewership are "costly" because you're hosting something that isn't being used often. Storage isn't free, neither is serving bandwidth, especially for 1080p and greater qualities. If only 5 of 100 customers watch a certain show, it means that the show only "brought in" 5% of the revenue. It doesn't matter that this math "is wrong" or "doesn't make sense", that's the simplified version of corporate thought: if the cost is greater than the profit, ditch it.

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[–] trustnoone@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Many companies have to pay a publisher rights for their show, which may or may not go onto paying other actors and companies and other stuff. This is much lower if you own the show. Hence why Netflix will have their own shows that don't disappear. Or Disney plus will keep Disney owned shows.

But some examples are:

  • you are an avid watcher, you've seen these shows, so to retain you, companies will cycle out long standing shows for others (use the money for new stuff)
  • Company is paying a lot for 1 show when they could diverse (or the other way) to get a more popular show to drive in traffic or cheaper shows that drive more traffic.
  • company would rather drop the money going to the publisher and spend it for their own new show that they pay less ongoing cost for
  • if a company has a hard year, they may just not pay publishers for as many shows so their books look better and they make some money to invest in innovation/shows
  • some CEO's look at companies differently. They join a company, they cut costs saving 10mil by not paying publishers. They then pocket 5mil as a ceo saying they saved so much money. Then they move onto their next company. And the company pays for the show to come back again.
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[–] amio@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

IP is a clusterfuck of rights and licenses. The owners have generally made sure to wring the last cent out of this stuff, making it fairly complicated. So things can randomly end up removed from re-releases or over the air, due to time-limited licenses. E.g. Scrubs had a huge part of its iconic soundtrack nuked from streaming versions.

[–] GlassHalfHopeful@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Indeed.

Btw, was Scrubs removed or the music replaced? I don't even know where to find it now.

[–] amio@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Scrubs itself should still be around somewhere, but a lot of works are only available on one platform now. I have no idea where, but that might be possible to search for. A lot of music will probably have been replaced if you're streaming.

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[–] therealahall@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’m not in that industry, but I am in tech, so this is mostly conjecture based on other, somewhat similar, experience.

My guess is it comes down to storage space, bandwidth costs, and licensing fees. Probably the latter more than anything.

When they own the IP, they probably don’t have much in licensing but there’s probably all sorts of agreements with other studios, royalties to consider, etc… not carrying these shows could free that up.

Bandwidth can be expensive. I’d imagine that Disney is hosting this on their own hardware to help mitigate costs, but having seen some AWS bills in the past for a moderately trafficked SaaS platform, it adds up. Extrapolate that to millions of users.

Storage, likewise, can also be expensive. Especially as the quality of these shows and movies increases. A 1 hour, 4k video can be multiple GB of storage so having whole seasons of shows can add up.

Then of course there’s the marketing side of this. I can imagine they have several, if not teams of several, data analysts who are able to pinpoint how much money a show/movie is bringing in. Then it’s purely a cost comparison. If it’s costing more than what they are bringing in, it’s a no brainer. If it’s similar or less, then there could be even further factors I’ve not considered.

Anyway, that’s my thoughts. It would be cool to know more from an industry perspective, but that’s an industry I likely won’t ever join.

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[–] phanto@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I am no expert, I only heard a podcast on the subject, but this is my understanding of it: People subscribe for new shows, and old shows are less profitable for the companies. Old shows require them to pay residual fees to the actors and creators involved, so a show that's been out for a while has a fixed cost associated with keeping it on the platform, but a vague, less easily measured 'profitability' based on how many subscribers stay on the platform because of it's large back library. So, by cutting a few of the shows that less people are viewing, they save the fixed costs, and only lose out on the handful of customers who might quit because of an old, beloved show. It's stupid, because it's short sighted. They get a small reduction in overhead costs at the expense of the overall value of the product, and they irritate their customer base.

I wish I remember which podcast it was, they explained it so much better. I think it was a Planet Money, maybe?

It's the same way there's new customer promos for cell phones and such. You're effectively punishing loyal customers, but you need to drive growth quarter over quarter. The money you save by screwing over existing customers can be spent on a flashy new show that might bring in new subscribers in the short term.

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

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Click here to see the summaryIf there’s a show on Disney Plus or Hulu that you’ve been meaning to watch then you might want to do so quickly before it is pulled from the platforms for good.

According to a report by Deadline, Disney is about to remove dozens of series (and a few films) from both streaming services, including Willow, Y: The Last Man, and Turner & Hooch, as part of the entertainment giant’s broader cost-cutting measures.

Disney’s decision to purge content follows similar cost-cutting moves by HBO Max and Showtime to avoid paying out for under-performing library titles.

Willow, the revival of Ron Howard’s 1988 fantasy film of the same name, is a surprise inclusion among the list of shows being removed considering it had only started airing in November.

The company laid off 7,000 employees and announced plans to restructure key parts of the business earlier this year.

Disney has also been hesitant to buy out Comcast’s 33 percent stake in Hulu as it intended in 2019, and recently announced the closure of its absurdly expensive Star Wars-themed hotel experience.


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