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Is anyone actually surprised by this?

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[–] Fijxu@programming.dev 4 points 12 hours ago

No, this is just propaganda

[–] Ju135@lemmings.world 7 points 21 hours ago

This make the news only because it's going to chinese servers. Didn't see anything like that about ChatGPT or the one made by Google.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

as opposed to OpenAI which also stores keystrokes and then sells them to anyone who'd pay?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is Whataboutism and you are clearly a Wumao agent sent here to destroy democracy.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

I don't need to... Muricans took care of destroying democracy all on their own

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

We were doing a perfectly adequate job of that on our own

[–] AnarchistArtificer 4 points 1 day ago

When I read DeepSeek's privacy policy, I was creeped out by the invasiveness of the keystrokes thing. Then I realised that ChatGPT is just as creepy, but less upfront about it, and DeepSeek's relative transparencyn caused me to see them in a more favourable light

[–] LotrOrc@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Like every app you have doesn't collect keystrokes data?

[–] leftytighty 5 points 1 day ago

right?

CHINESE APP COLLECTS YOUR THOUGHTS AND SAVES THEM

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 day ago

They should store the data in US servers like OpenAI does. Apparently then Mashable won't write an article about it.

The criticism thrown at DeepSeek in the past days is just as applicable to American AI models. But when that was brought up it in the past it was "making things political".

At least I can run DeepSeek locally.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

We are now at a time where US blocks China services in order to protect their companies

Just like many US services are banned in China in Order to protect their companies

So, I hope no surprise..

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Its or their for countries?

Edit: I have chosen their

[–] HumanPerson@sh.itjust.works 2 points 16 hours ago

I feel like their is more common. I do deliberately say its for companies because companies aren't people and don't deserve people pronouns. Countries seem more like a collection of people, so I use their.

If someone knows more about grammar feel free to correct me.

[–] JOMusic@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This article is what US propaganda looks like folks. Mashable should be ashamed.

Literally all AI companies do this to run their services. Except you can actually download Deepseek and run it completely securely on your own devices. You know who doesn't allow that security? OpenAI and the other US companies currently being screwed.

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[–] jaxxed@lemmy.ml 2 points 23 hours ago

Yes, that is how these generative AI imementations work.

[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

the company states that it may share user information to "comply with applicable law, legal process, or government requests.

Literally every company's privacy policy here in the US basically just says that too.

Not only does DeepSeek collect "text or audio input, prompt, uploaded files, feedback, chat history, or other content that [the user] provide[s] to our model and Services," but it also collects information from your device, including "device model, operating system, keystroke patterns or rhythms, IP address, and system language."

Breaking news, company with chatbot you send messages to uses and stores the messages you send, and also does what practically every other app does for demographic statistics gathering and optimizations.

Companies with AI models like Google, Meta, and OpenAI collect similar troves of information, but their privacy policies do not mention collecting keystrokes. There's also the added issue that DeepSeek sends your user data straight to Chinese servers.

They didn't use the word keystrokes, therefore they don't collect them? Of course they collect keystrokes, how else would you type anything into these apps?

In DeepSeek's privacy policy, there's no mention of the security of its servers. There's nothing about whether data is encrypted, either stored or in transmission, and zero information about safeguards to prevent unauthorized access.

This is the only thing that seems disturbing to me, compared to what we'd like to expect based on the context of what DeepSeek is. Of course, this was proven recently in practice to be terrible policy, so I assume they might shore up their defenses a bit.

All the articles that talk about this as if it's some big revelation just boil down to "company does exactly what every other big tech company does in America, except in China"

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[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago
[–] Zip2@feddit.uk 58 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Did the American technology giants think they had the monopoly on capturing human input too?

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[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 15 points 1 day ago (7 children)
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Building my entire data model around the Tienanmen Square copypasta. I can run this thing on a Raspberry Pi plugged into a particularly starchy potato and it reliably returns the only answer I've thought to ask it.

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[–] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unrelated but yesterday I saw a post where the person was mocking those concerned by the chinese getting their data, saying things like "why would they care" and some people sarcastically saying they wouldn't understand the data because "it was in another language". Were those people right or not?

[–] cocosulmov@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

i don't know but there are some Chinese apps that translates instantly like everything in every language

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago

Oh my, just wait until you learn what Facebook and Google do...

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 63 points 2 days ago (3 children)

"We store the information we collect in secure servers located in the People's Republic of China"

Now you Americans know how we Europeans feel when Google, Amazon and Facebook store our information on American servers. Hint: The protective wall between Chinese servers and their government are about as good as the one between American servers and their government - at least for non-US citizens. The last thin veil of privacy for Eurpeans has been ripped to shreds by Trump last week.

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[–] grey_maniac@lemmy.ca 49 points 2 days ago (9 children)

I'm confused. Isn't "collecting keystroke data" just an alarmist way to describe text entry?

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[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 2 days ago (4 children)

It's a chinese company, where else would they store the data?

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 day ago
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[–] uis@lemm.ee 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Did they become american company?

Well, at least models are downloadable.

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 7 points 1 day ago

Yes, I’m going to be lectured on privacy by people who are still on twitter.

[–] ozoned@lemmy.world 53 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Chinese company does what American companies have done for 25+ years now!

Is it time for REAL data privacy laws or are we just gonna keep playing whack-a-mole with Chinese tech companies that get us nowhere?

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, uh... If you think that American companies aren't doing this same thing and handing your data over to the government without a warrant among other bad uses, I have some bad news for you. This is pretty much par for the course, and I'm pretty sure that we're witnessing a well financed negative media blitz happening to try and keep OpenAI from getting all of its spaghetti spilled. Watch for the government to try and ban deepseek for "national security" reasons soon.

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The Chinese now have data on my Linux vm and my curiosity about sweet potato and sweet potato recipe. They’re coming for me now!

[–] Naia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I swear people do not understand how the internet works.

Anything you use on a remote server is going to be seen to some degree. They may or may not keep track of you, but you can't be surprised if they are. If you run the model locally, there is no indication it is sending anything anywhere. It runs using the same open source LLM tools that run all the other models you can run locally.

This is very much like someone doing surprised pikachu when they find out that facebook saves all the photos they upload to facebook or that gmail can read your email.

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 days ago

Chinese company uses servers located in China. More news at 11.

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