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So far, Americans using RedNote have said they don't care if China has access to their data. Viral videos on TikTok in recent days have shown Americans jokingly saying they will miss their personal "Chinese spy," while others say they are purposefully giving RedNote access to their data in a show of protest against the wishes of the U.S. government.

"This also highlights the fact that people are thirsty for platforms that aren't controlled by the same few oligarchs," Quintin said. "People will happily jump to another platform even if it presents new, unknown risks."

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[–] Fleur_@lemm.ee 34 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Turns out normalizing mass surveillance makes people not care about being spied on

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[–] avieshek@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

The fediverse and the decentralised web has a long way to go and need to learn a thing or two about UX unless it wants to join the plight of Linux distros.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 86 points 4 days ago (16 children)

If you want more people to join the fediverse, you have to improve the user experience. People don’t want to read an article breaking down what the fediverse is, how to join an instance, how to find content, etc.

Streamline the join process so it doesn’t require learning the lore and technical training. Stop promoting the fediverse generally, and instead push people to easy to use frontends and popular instances. Remove the barriers to entry. If they want to dig deeper into different instances and the technical stuff, let them do that later. Stop loading the info dump at the front.

[–] mrvictory1@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

Fediverse and decentralism confused me initially but then I learned I can just sign up at lemmy.world and use it normally without having to know the backend.

[–] grrgyle 16 points 4 days ago

I agree that promoting the fediverse generally kind of doesn't make sense. People join communities, not web protocols.

I wonder if we shouldn't talk so much about "the fediverse" as we do about individual instances, because that's what people actually join. They get the rest of the fediverse for free, but their home server will always be home. Just like with reddit back in the day, how I may not have identified much with the reddit overculture, I did love some of its communities.

Like look at the difference between the slrpnk communities, and the programming.dev communities. That's something to be celebrated, like, come join this server - look at all the cool things we're doing!

[–] el_abuelo@programming.dev 13 points 4 days ago

You get it. Well said.

[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A site goes to shit when everyone and their grandma hops on it. At the risk of sounding elitist, I would prefer to a part of the userbase that hasn't been Eternal Septembered into the lowest common denominator.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago

All right then, keep your secrets. But then let's promote a normie instance to Grandma so she doesn't get brainwashed.

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[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Its OK, I dont mind lower numbers on fedi. Feels more like The Good Old Days™ of forums. More people, more shit.

[–] MattW03@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

At least we don't have to worry too much about bots or "karma addicted".

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[–] Letme@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Americans are populist trend followers, get what they deserve. Even China banned TikTok 😂

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Even China banned TikTok

Not quite, TT is available in China, BUT the CCP mandates they use a special algorithm for the Chinese audience that promotes positivity, education and other quality content rather than just whatever is popular

[–] Letme@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

K, sounds better than a platform strewn with lies and disinformation used to fabricate political influence

[–] HBK@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 4 days ago (7 children)

I know we are all on here because we dislike the kind of algorithms that tik tok, Instagram, and Facebook have, but that is exactly the thing my wife was looking for. When I had her download pixelfed and loops she was like ' I have to search out content and manually follow people like I did with Facebook back in the day?' and she uninstalled.

Algorithms can be addictive and evil, but for some people that's what they're looking for.

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[–] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 83 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Fediverse fanboys when they realise that their obscure and socially complex software isn't know by many people specially outside of the tech bubble, and that it's not the same experiences that they will get with their known platforms:

edited Gru with an uncanny smile

[–] FlihpFlorp@lemm.ee 34 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

As someone who isn’t tech savvy I only joined the fediverse when I had no other choice when Apollo shutdown (except of course going back to Reddit)

Heck when I heard talks of lemmy hearing the word servers was enough to spook me out of joining until last minute

I had a point in here somewhere but I’m so tired i lost it so feel free use your imagination

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[–] marcos@lemmy.world 135 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Lemmy doesn't have the censorship and speech-control from those platforms, but it pretty much distributes your data widely to anybody that asks for it.

[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 144 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Hear me out: if you post stuff publicly, it is out there. The issue is data that shouldn’t be public getting public

[–] SmoothLiquidation@lemmy.world 49 points 4 days ago

This is it. A strong public domain benefits everyone. It is why open source software works.

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[–] Whateley@lemm.ee 28 points 4 days ago (11 children)

"I'm protesting American oligarchs and the surveillance state by willingly giving my personal data to Chinese oligarchs and the surveillance state. Lol, get rekt. I am very smart."

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[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Also our developers are too poor to ge oligarchs.

[–] lemonSqueezy@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago (4 children)

The fediverse as a whole has missed a huge opportunity here. I never see anyone talking about it as alternatives to twitter or tiktok, only bluesky and rednote. AFAIK we have no alternative to tik-tok that is viable right now, so I don't know why anyone thought we could manage that one.

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[–] Sergio 89 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

FWIW Pixelfed's been growing like crazy the last couple days

Source: https://pixelfed.fediverse.observer/dailystats

edit: loops has a much smaller userbase but has also gained active users in the last couple days: https://loops.fediverse.observer/dailystats

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[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Somewhere deep in the CCP...

Senior Operative: "What intelligence have we gleaned from the Americans so far?"

Junior Operative: "I'm beginning to think this well is dry."

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[–] hector@sh.itjust.works 34 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Lemmy is great but it does not hit the spot for a large-scale consumer social network because that's just not the philosophy (It also lacks the unified identity because of its greatest feature: federation)

People are not searching for an aggregator of small forums of friendly tech people, they want to be part of the next big thing.

If you work on apps as a front-end, you probably understand that Lemmy requires too much hassle to get started with UX-wise.

It's engineered for a niche, and it's perfect to me but obscure for the majority of people who were trained to use the same UX for years and years.

No algorithm, no feeling of fame, rarely drama, content takes some time to be updated. Those are features to me but hindrance for large-scale adoption I believe.

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[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 72 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They want a platform that isn’t controlled by oligarchs yet they go to a platform that is controlled by the CCP, interesting

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 74 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I mean the CCP isn't an oligarchy; it's an old school dictatorship.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 61 points 4 days ago (2 children)

You have been site-banned from .ml

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[–] watty@lemm.ee 55 points 4 days ago (18 children)

I used to think that the perceived complexity of the fediverse was creating a hurdle for more adoption.

Now all these fucking people are learning Chinese to better use RedNote.

Apparently convenience isn't actually a barrier? I'm baffled why so many people are flocking to anything other than the fediverse.

[–] nroth@lemmy.world 38 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I think it's probably marketing more than convenience

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[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I don't want TikTokers on the Fediverse, thankyouverymuch.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"I don't want AOLers on the web. The open internet should just be for us enlightened few"

JFC, * don't want you pricks on the fedi. Can't you go back to BBSes or something and wank each other there?

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[–] robocall@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

you can defederate with groups but gatekeeping the entire fediverse feels wrong

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[–] MojoMcJojo@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

We've been here the whole time

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The TikTok algorithm shows you what you want to see. My TikTok algorithm was history, math, and language learning content.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 15 points 3 days ago

It shows you what keeps your eyes on a video for longer, on a frame by frame basis. "Want" is a slightly separate concept.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I do! Their opinions affect us; the fediverse reduces a social problem.

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[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (6 children)

What should we expect from people who voted in a rich, old, white guy as their savior.

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[–] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 25 points 4 days ago

Apparently some Israeli-Americans went on Red Note to specifically asked Chinese people what they thought of Israel, and users basically said they were "Devil's on this earth for killing babies" which like...damn. Even through the Great Firewall they aren't beating the allegations.

So I'm sure the Israeli lobby will get that banned next, we shouldn't worry.

[–] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 32 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 16 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I have long since given up on Normies ever coming to the Indie Web, federated or otherwise

Ever since the big Xwitter exodus, when people went to BlueSky when Mastodon was right there.

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[–] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You can't put videos on pixelfed, right? That unfortunately means it's not a competitive platform. Video is what people seem to want.

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[–] minibyte@sh.itjust.works 43 points 5 days ago (20 children)

They’d be right at home at .ml

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

others say they are purposefully giving RedNote access to their data in a show of protest against the wishes of the U.S. government.

really?

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