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[–] respectmahauthoritybrah@sh.itjust.works 9 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I might be killed, but seeing the comments i feel like lemmy is getting too into the zone of umm like judging the action based on the person instead of judging the action/statement itself, yeah the US gov is a piece of shit, and also they probably don't have the peoples best interest in mind, but the act of banning tiktok, according to me, is a right move, i can see nd myself have felt the humongous mental impact it has on teens (like me) basically killing their attention span, and making them feel like they need to pick up their phone, heck kids cant read 10pages from their physics book, infact reading a page only thoroughly is a tough task for most of them, and i m not talking abt a few select cases, i can see this in 95% of kids (this is anecdotal tho), ever since i stopped using reels/tiktoks/shorts, i can feel my mind improving

Also the whole slew of misinformation and propaganda tiktok is, is another issue

Again I agree with ppl that the US doesn’t hv the ppls best interest, but i do feel this might help atleast some ppl break their addiction, so many I know are aware they r addicted but can’t stop, banning the app altogether might help

[–] 0ops@lemm.ee 2 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I don't use tiktok because I don't want to get addicted personally, and I know a few people who borderline are.

That's not the point though, not the real one anyway. Even if this ban was going through with good intentions, it doesn't actually solve anything. Everyone will just find a new PRISM-compatable app to get addicted to. The government's "action/statement itself" is precisely the problem. If they passed a law that forbid certain addicting behaviors, and TikTok ran afoul of that law, then I'd likely be in support, because it bans those behaviors in general. But that's not what's happening here, instead the government is targeting the individual company, so it's pretty clear to me that the cited privacy and addiction concerns are only an excuse. Don't take this combatively, I just think this is important, but I think that ironically you're the one who needs to separate the action from the actors. I think you're underestimating how dangerous a precedence this sets.

[–] respectmahauthoritybrah@sh.itjust.works 1 points 16 hours ago

Hmm i get ur argument, but still i do believe that banning that app will still have some net positive impact, i understand that this doesn’t really fix the problem by its root, maybe i m biased, but i just want the people around me to get a chance to get off that app, thats why banning it, while i agree with not with so good intentions, still might give some sort of positive impact on people who cant concentrate on anything for more than a minute, i just don't jive well with the mentality here that the ban in nd of itself is wrong, i understand tho that the US has its own interests and doesn’t give many fcks abt ppl

[–] WhoLooksHere@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

Sure, I don't think any disagrees that there's side effects that aren't good for anyone, never mind teens.

But there's nothing that you've written that's specific to Tik Tok. It's not substantially worse than American alternatives. Facebook has known for years the negative effect, study after study has come out. What legislation was passed to protect that?

So why target Tik Tok specifically?

[–] Lulzagna@lemmy.world 6 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

It wasn't. There's zero proof of this currently.

The app is banned because congress can't control. They want you using the platforms where you can't become class or politically aware.

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Disinformation.

TikTok has been under control of the State Dept for years, since TikTok transferred custody of US servers to Oracle. The ban is to force a sale to a US competitor, and decrease transparency on censorship activities, especially regarding Palestine and pro-communism material.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/tiktok-chinese-trojan-horse-run-by-state-department-officials/284353/

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world -1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

When you can’t disprove the content, attack the source.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

There's no reasonable way for a single person to point out every single flaw in a conspiratorial website. The whole article is a gish-gallop; so much misinformation that even if I disproved 90% of the primary points, people would still latch on to the 10% that I hadn't had time to disprove, and say, see?, they were right! (That's assuming that they even accept counterclaims as being sufficient in the first place.)

Paying attention to your sources and not using bad ones is one of the first, most basic principles of media literacy. Failing to adhere to this basic principle is precisely how you get Q-anon.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

How about disprove just one thing? Can you handle that?

Wild that you’re attempting to speak with authority, when you’re the one being most vague and refusing to provide an ounce of material to support your argument.

[–] VerticaGG@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 20 hours ago

This.

Not a big fan of Tik Tok but fuck this fedposting bootlicker OP.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Can someone explain to me how it's worse for a foreign government to have your information than your own government having that same information? Your own government is far more likely to actually be able to do something about you.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 11 points 23 hours ago

Foreign governments are supposed to buy information from American social media companies. Tik Tok cut out the middleman so they're getting banned.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 4 points 21 hours ago

Yup, much better to let a foreign evil government have your data than the local evil government that actually has control where you live.

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 23 hours ago

Gross to see this kind of disinformation on Lemmy. Too bad freedom and open information lost in a major way. This will be a dark day in history. Nobody benefits except the genociders.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 72 points 1 day ago (19 children)

Imagine cheering that your government decided witch social media are you allowed to use.

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