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What is happening in Indonesia is part of a recurring global pattern in countries where battery materials are abundant. Local residents in Chile, Argentina, Congo, and elsewhere complain of environmental destruction, and dangerous or exploitative working conditions. The RLS study’s authors argue that it is crucial to look at the material footprint of the EV industry against the promised decrease in carbon emissions. In the Global South, where most of the raw materials for EV batteries are sourced, “the rising demand for electric vehicles is threatening to worsen existing injustices in the extractive industry,” they wrote. 

And while these places bear the brunt of the immediate environmental fallout, they are not set to benefit the most from the extraction and manufacturing of rare earth minerals — areas mostly dominated by Chinese businesses.

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[–] thetablesareorange@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago

The entire article is about the growing nickel industry in Indonesia but reading it you would think Indonesia is a small rural city in China. A better headline should be "China bad, electric cars bad, everywhere outside Europe should be jungle". Indonesia has the largest unexploited nickel reserves, and Russia is one of the top 5 producers of nickel. So I guess now we will be treated to all sorts of propaganda about how Indonesia's nickel industry is evil because China gave them a loan or something. And we'll all just pretend that there is no other nickel industry anywhere else, especially in countries like the USA who just awarded millions in loans for nickel processing plants in the US to encourage "domestic battery production" but I have a feeling there will be no lengthy 10 page rambling articles on environmental hazards and labor laws there or photos of the slums of north dakota, interjected with random stereotypes about how Americans hate the planet and anything the color green

[–] Kajika@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The article is very nicely done, the website too (beautiful while not being overly bloated). The topic is also interesting even though I hope people here would already know about that. Still nice to remind us of the battery production's externatilties.

Reading the other comments it is true that pointing fingers at China seems very hypocritical even though what's being said is true.

Reading the article I didn't had China in mind. I mainly thought about how cars are not the solution to transportation, EV or not, Chinese or not. This specific bias with China may be caused by the fact that the organization is specifically meant to talk about technology related topics outside USA/Western Europe.

I would still judge this as above average compared to the mainstream journalism I can observe.

[–] jokeyrhyme@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I'm a huge fan of the web site, especially as a Western person who would like to see reporting from a non-Western perspective

[–] jlyws123@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 years ago

China is bad so Indonesia people must live in pool forever!!!!!

[–] hfkldjbuq@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Whatever the company's nationality, they will just fuck up the environment, local community (illness, children born with defects, ...), and their subsistence when governement just lets those industries do whatever they want. Chinese business worldwide are no different than American/western; it is worth noticing that Chinese in some countries owns a great amount of industries, undermining the national businesses. This is just a modern form of colonization.

Both IMIP and IWIP are primarily owned by Chinese company Tsingshan Holding Group, which has been investing heavily in Indonesia’s nickel facilities since 2013. It has become the norm for Chinese companies seeking to get involved in the nickel-processing business in Indonesia to work with Tsingshan and its partners. Although the group reportedly plans to sell its assets in Indonesia, these will likely go to other Chinese companies. Tsingshan Holding Group did not respond to a request for comment for this story.

Ahmad Redi, an expert in natural resources and mining law at the University of Tarumanagara, believes that China’s dominance is a double-edged sword: On one side, it gives a boost to Indonesia’s state income and local economic growth, but on the other, it could mean that Indonesia’s nickel becomes a pawn in China’s larger industrialization agenda. “[This means] that maximum economic and added value potentials can’t be achieved by Indonesia,” he told Rest of World. 

Additionally, Chinese investors are not known for having the highest concerns for environmental impact, Redi said. “The environmental damage and social conflict will cause Indonesia to suffer long-term losses,” he said.

[–] jokeyrhyme@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

This seems unfairly targeted at China at first, but they are unique in their combination of the middle-class population and their national carbon goals