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SO wow. I've just been *AI-ed*.

I googled 'shadow institutional framework' as shorthand to find the link to a journal article I wrote. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02671520701809783

This is what I got on Google chrome (left).

This is my paper (right).

#AI #Research #Knowledge #AcademicChatter @academicchatter

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[–] Elias@mementomori.social 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] prachisrivas@masto.ai 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

@Elias @academicchatter

In the skewed world of academic publishing, we don't even own the copyright to our own articles. So, if the academic publishers cared enough, they would go down that road of protecting the work. Instead, they have signed up with AI companies to let them train their LLMs on academic work for free and with no opt-out for individual researchers/authors.

[–] Elias@mementomori.social 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

@prachisrivas @academicchatter

I have the impression that copyright legislation in GB is a real mess. Nevertheless I doubt that a deal with any publisher would give _anyone_ free hands to create such snippets as they are essentially derivatives.

I am very interested to continue discussing this because the AI fuss is a project to fill our world with meaningless shit to a very much greater extent than until now.

Some vision, isn't it? :D

[–] Elias@mementomori.social 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

@prachisrivas @academicchatter

I must admit that the copyright legislation of GB is totally perverted IMHO. What else can you say about a country following common law tradition and the copyright owners of legal cases are.... ta-daa... barristers!

AFAIK this is the reason why there is no public, freeof charge, searchable index of cases.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[–] octade@soc.octade.net 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

@prachisrivas@masto.ai @academicchatter@a.gup.pe

Same garbage in USA. A group of shell companies owned by one umbrella company controls access to legal case rulings. If you try to use Pacer at a courthouse you risk being harassed and treated like a terrorist--especially if it is a case you are working on for yourself. And let's not even discuss transcripts. It can cost arm, leg, and firstborn to get a transcript of a case. The legal profession and the courts are a racket designed to serve the rich.

[–] Elias@mementomori.social 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

@octade @prachisrivas @academicchatter

Call me an idealist besserwisser but....

It took me 20 years to understand that the hero lawyers of US tv series and movies who remember a huge amount of court cases is not just about remembering being fancy but it is the very nature of common law system. There is no other law in many cases.

It was a shock for me as in German tradition that Finland has also followed, legislation is thematic and the laws are possible for a layman to understand.

Especially in the US the principle of minimizing state of the founders has lead to a very undemocratic and dysfunctional legal structure. It is far too costly, complicated and fuzzy.

[–] AlRoeh@social.tchncs.de 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

@Elias

@octade @prachisrivas @academicchatter

There is a very interesting take on this by @pluralistic in his novel "the bezzle", which illustrates the absurdity of this concept of laws. It seems nearly impossible for laypeople in the US to grasp an understanding of the laws applicable to a certain situation (and it can become quite costly to collect that intel).

PS: In Germany it is still difficult to really understand the language of laws (and lawyers), but one can look it all up.

[–] Elias@mementomori.social 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

@AlRoeh @octade @prachisrivas @academicchatter @pluralistic

Thank you for the reading tip!

Of course legal language is complex and has traditions that make it differ from common language. But - as you noted - it is possible to understand that with some training, experience or help.

Even I can understand German law or court decisions with my rusty German and a dictionary or a proper automatic translator (such as DeepL which AFAIK is a German company). On the other hand, after learning 20 years I am still not able to get a grasp of relevant law cases in a certain legal problem. It is truly, as Monty Python would put it, something totally different. ;-)

[–] octade@soc.octade.net 1 points 5 days ago

@AlRoeh@social.tchncs.de @prachisrivas@masto.ai @academicchatter@a.gup.pe @pluralistic@mamot.fr

You said the magic phrase.

Come see the violence inherent in the system!
https://youtu.be/ZoQptriioxA

This version is longer. The first minute shows the purpose of legal language: to claim possession of people and their property through identification with titles of authority:

Monty Python And The Holy Grail Dennis The Repressed Peasant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKIyVnoZDdQ

"I am Arthur, King of the Britons."

"King of the who?"

"King of the Britons."

"Who are the Britons?"

"We all are. We're all Britons. And I am your king."

Cleese and crew understood it instinctively.