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[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 10 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (38 children)

So... We manage to master space travel. We manage to master interstellar travel. We eventually find a planet with suitable environment for sustaining our species. And we just overlook it.

Can someone explain me the reasoning behind this?

Sci-fi to the side, there are more minerals available - readily - on asteroids and barren planets than anywhere else. Why go hopping around looking for habitable planets, to the reason of 1 out of who knows how many, to then strip mine it?

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[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago

Difference being the colonists of our world left perfectly habitable areas. In avatar the earth isn't habitable to most and so the colonists are actually kind of sympathetic. The real bad guys never have to leave earth but because it's Cameron it falls on the poors to play the bad guys

[–] dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago

Literally Satisfactory

[–] ech@lemm.ee 42 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Avatr is about capitalism

That wasn't glaringly obvious to everyone?

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 4 points 17 hours ago

There's someone arguing otherwise in this very thread

[–] hogmomma@lemmy.world 11 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Like, to absolutely everyone? This ranks up there with "breathing is good."

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago

you forget the kind of people who complain that wolfenstein games or the x-men animated series "became" political

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago

Some people are dense enough that “the point” is the name of a baseball bat you have to go get to get it across.

It was also about the poor soldiers getting used to further capitalism.

Honestly, though…. That military wasn’t very credible. Half their aircraft you could disable by dumping buckets of pebbles into the fans.

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[–] atocci@lemmy.world 89 points 1 day ago (6 children)
[–] sxan@midwest.social 43 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Factorio.

The factory must grow.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I like to describe the aliens that attack you in factorio as environmentalists.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Pollution actually makes the bugs stronger. Maybe they like pollution and want to go eat it all up.

[–] PlexSheep@infosec.pub 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

They get stronger because they mutate to fight back

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 1 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

That's not how evolution works. A species evolves to get stronger in battle if the weak ones die in battle. A species evolves stronger lungs if the weak ones die of lung cancer. Dying of lung cancer doesn't make a species better fighters.

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Drag is correct, but it's fantasy evolution we're talking about

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 1 points 14 hours ago

Maybe. Or maybe they like the pollution. Maybe with better resource availability, they're able to spend more energy on growing bigger and stronger without threatening survival.

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[–] Retrograde@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago

They hate that fresh, artisanal air

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[–] jewbacca117@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago

The factory must grow

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[–] Gork@lemm.ee 74 points 1 day ago (3 children)
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[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 16 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (3 children)

Holy shit! Avatar is about capitalism? How did I miss that?! I better rewatch it and see if it's a recurring theme.

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[–] LibreHans@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago (15 children)

What do you mean? Communists didn't mine minerals and didn't exploit indigenous people? Lol..

[–] AVengefulAxolotl@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I dont get it either. This is not about capitalism, this is about human nature of mindless expansion and exploitation...

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[–] egrets@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago

I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.

- Jack Handey

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm torn, because there's an idea that industrial capital only knows how to consume and destroy what it touches. And there's ample evidence to that effect.

But there's this other more naive notion that life never changes, species don't compete for habitat, and doing anything to alter the local ecology is this unforgivable sin. This, despite the fact that everything in the area is itself a product of eons of speciation and evolution and carnivorization.

The impulse to preserve has to be balanced with the expectation for change. The goal should be symbiosis, not stasis.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

The issue is that you're changing the ecosystems and environments so much that all those eons of evolution are simply lost. The only other times this happens is during natural catastrophes. Sure, in the long run this allows new life forms to take the old ones places, but it's still a massive loss of diversity and evolutionary knowledge - and unnecessary suffering for millions of living beings.

When species compete for a habitat, they rarely destroy it - and those species that do either don't survive for long, or they wipe out large swaths. We're actively killing almost anything in our habitats, and destroying them for almost all previous species.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Does this imply communism wouldn't extract resources?

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 9 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (4 children)

That's what I was wondering. Capitalists didn't invent exploitation of nature, it just so happened that its worldwide adoption coincided with unprecedented technological advances. There's quite a few examples of historical societies that exploited nature as much as they could and suffered for it.

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