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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 39 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yes, it can and that’s why we should keep trying.

But it does seem less likely than in 2016.

I’m not desperate (am Canadian) but I don’t blame desperate people.

The ends don’t justify the means but no one is denying that they do get results.

And that the correct means have been tried for decades.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I feel like we've made more progress in our national discussion regarfing healthcare since the assassination than we have in the previous 10 years.

I don't want to think that violence is the answer, but damn if it ain't a conversation starter.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There is no escaping that sometimes violence is the only answer. It took that level of drama for right wingers to acknowledge what they have in common with progressives. It's really hard for right wing populists to resist supporting murder.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I've also seen more people realize that an armed populace can provide a check on oppression witpopulrequiring a revolutionary uprising and defeating the military.

Having more guns than people means that the more people you piss off, the less safe you are.

If ine nutjob with a gun wants a politician or business leader dead, they can be stopped.

If 100,000 nutjobs want to assassinate you, one of them is gonna slip through.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 days ago

There's also the fact that the day after many insurance companies were suddenly approving procedures they denied the day before.

In all likelihood the assassination saved lives.

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 37 points 6 days ago

We've had several mass movements about it over the past 15~20 years, the only thing that has worked so far is lead poisoning.

[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 35 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I know we loved the leaded solution and we won't cry if more happens but yeah at the of the day the system will need a legal reform to properly depose the parasites.

Shootings might continue until morale improves?

[–] Bread@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

My morale is already improving personally. 3 lead tablets a day keeps the insurance companies at bay. Guaranteed to get you a better rate.

[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago

RL lakecityquietpills

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I feel like there's a real chance they will continue... The reaction to this was just so insanely positive, despite the fact a man was murdered.

Have we ever seen anything like this as a country before? I'm genuinely curious...

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

History is already absolutely littered with examples of this, and its a miracle there hasnt been more of it yet in the US.

[–] humble_pete_digger@lemm.ee 25 points 6 days ago (2 children)

It can't be Democrats or republicans, those both are cunts.

Need to support a new party.

Is "working families" legit?

[–] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 15 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Sadly I dont see a third party ever being the solution due to our first past the post political system. We need election reform for a third party to exist, and those 2 cunts you mentioned would NEVER allow election reform to happen on their watch.

[–] DeadWorldWalking@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

[–] humble_pete_digger@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So why not start right now? Not 3 months before elections, now.

Create a web platform and organize. Idea is - to create a "troll" factory but not for trolling , but rather for propagandizing the cause. Let's say you have 10000 accounts army you can then direct on pushing the news and ideas we want and candidates we want.

[–] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago

So If i am understanding correctly. You want to use bots to spread propaganda to influence politics? The problem is that congress is going to vote how their donors tell them to vote, they don't give a fuck what their voter base wants. You would also be competing against exactly what you are suggesting, giant capitalist media companies, and bot armies from hostile nation states. You just cant compete with their resources in spreading propaganda.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The Working Families party is like the Tea Party for the Democrats. I don't believe they ever run as a third party.

[–] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

How can they get elected? If the party is in the actual interest of American society then all of the money will be stacked up in opposition to them.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 2 points 6 days ago

Because people like you will spread the word! :)

It's true though that the Tea Party was quickly captured and turned into an astroturf campaign, so it had a lot of money behind it.

Unfortunately, changing the world isn't easy.

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[–] greybeard@lemmy.one 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The Working Families party appears to be legit. Adam Conover did an interview with one of their organizers and it really felt like they had the right ideas and were building the right tools to give power to the people, while understanding the system as-is is stacked against what they want.

https://headgum.com/factually-with-adam-conover/a-third-party-that-actually-works-with-maurice-mitchell

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I've had enough of my country being for hire.

There has to be a LOT of caution in not letting neolib leadership in the door. neolib commoners? yes. Neolib leaders? No. They just enabled a genocide for money in our name, with the whole world watching. They are pure poison and have to be left outside like pets that have turned rabid. Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schumer, Clinton (not sure baout Obama) they are not our friends or allies. They are holding us down and doing what they want. Let them join the republican party where they always belonged.

They need to be disavowed for this new party to have any chance at being taken seriously. The second these bastards get in they will look to overthrow whatever is built and bring back pay-for-play mercenary politics like AIPAC.

[–] GluWu@lemm.ee 16 points 6 days ago
[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

maybe a mass movement and a few other.. things.. will do it.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah a small mass of lead with a lot of movement behind it would do wonders to the brain of most ceo's

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

~1100 fps for an object about 9x21 mm

[–] Zugyuk@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

So he wants us to beat ceos. Got it

[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The problem in my country is that most people are complacent and could care less to do anything about it aside from trying to overthrow the government because they had to wear masks and take a vaccine.

[–] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

Dont forget that at its core those people are outraged with the hand they were dealt, the GOP is just very good at directing that anger where they want (in that case masks and vaccines). However there is an option where we can stop dem vs gop fighting at a citizen level, and channel our outrage together at the people who are actually ruining our lives, billionaires and their government lackeys. Otherwise its total economic collapse, or WW3

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