Context: Lemmy still allow people to comment on your posts or comments after you blocked them:
I love it.
this post was submitted on 19 Nov 2024
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Bluesky/twitter/etc are person centric - you follow the person
Lemmy/reddit/etc are topic centric - you follow a community
It makes sense for blocking on Bluesky to completely hide you, you've severed the person - person relationship.
On Lemmy severing a person - person relationship shouldn't disadvantage the user from interacting with the community. Communities don't want duplicate posts so if you post some big news in a popular community now all the users you've blocked would be cut off from that content. Their personal beef with you shouldn't disadvantage them in the communities this way.
Just a short hypothetical: You start this thread or even top level vomment and I don't agree with you. Then I reply something and block you immediatelly after. That could be another tool for trolls, but I guess there could be some solutions that fix this problem.
(Not dissagreeing with the OP, just brainstorming)
This happened to me once on reddit. God I was pissed off cause they were spreading lies about me and I couldn't say anything.
They wield the instance ban hammer for themselves, while tools for the common plebes are lower priority:-P.
If only plebes could defederate 😂
Speak for yourself - I already have:-).
I'm not kidding btw, PieFed lets you do it, as too do the Sync and Connect apps, I hear. Mbin and base Lemmy do not, nor the other apps e.g. Voyager. The Fediverse is really growing, beyond its original limitations and reaching new horizons!:-)
Oh, I meant letting a user defederate the whole server, for everyone haha
I mean... if you mean a user making that choice for everyone else on their instance, then no - boooo, I wouldn't want that. If you don't want ~~an abortion~~ a defederation, then don't get one, simple as that.
But if you mean being able to block every single user from an entire instance, a true "instance block" rather than a mere "communities mute", then yeah, that's legit what I meant. Personally, I blocked all users from lemmy.ml that way. Though by far the more major effect was probably my piefed.social instance having defederated from hexbear.net, whereas my prior one at discuss.online had not.
I don't think this type of block makes sense for a more forum-like environment. In fact I think it's more absuable for bad actors to be able to conceal their rhetoric from anyone they know would oppose it.
I would prefer if people I block couldn't see anything I post
Err... you know all these comments are posted publicly and anyone can view them, right?
At least on Twitter before Elon changed things, the same thing applied, tweets were public but you could still block people.
Currently, X displays a “You’re blocked” message when trying to view the profile of a person who’s blocked you. In addition to blocking all posts, it also prevents you from seeing their replies, media, followers, and following list.
Did twitter have private accounts?
Yeah locked accounts are pretty commonly used in conjuncture with public accounts.
I can't see them. I can only assume [TheAlbatross(https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/u/TheAlbatross) has blocked me.
Who said that?
There is value to the blocked person not being able to find out in any way, whether you've blocked them.
And if they really want to see your content, on federated social media, where you can't enforce a login requirement to view the content, they'll always be able to find your content if they really want to.
Stopping them from being able to comment on your posts would be nice, tho. Even better if they can comment, but it doesn't show up for you or anyone else.
Implementing such a block would be tricky, though. It is not as simple as community bans, as communities are always governed by their home instance.
If you post or comment in a community that isn't local, someone from a third instance could interact with that content without ever communicating with your home instance.
It can still be done, but it's a much more involved implementation than community bans.
Even better if they can comment, but it doesn't show up for you or anyone else.
This would be abused. Imagine I post some manipulated fake news or something. Then I block every single person who points out the bullshit in my post so no one sees it.
reddit implemented that and I’m sure it’s abused
Ok, but how would blocks removing comments from your posts for everyone, including the blocked user, be any different? That could be abused in the exact same way.
If you're saying blocks should only prevent future comments, this could by all means also work the same way.
The point is that it should work like a shadow ban, and not be obvious to the person you blocked. That discourages them from immediately coming at you with an alt.
The block most platforms use is that if you block someone, none of you can see each others contributions, but your past interactions are still visible to everyone.
I know.
But when did I suggest past activity should be affected, which is what you replied about?
It wasn’t clear to me in your comment but you were suggesting it wouldn’t be retroactive?
If so, then sounds okay, as long as the person knows they have been blocked, would suck to write a well written comment in reply to someone who blocked you, and unknowingly your comment is hidden for everyone because you don’t realise you were blocked.
Why would it be retroactive?
If so, then sounds okay, as long as the person knows they have been blocked, would suck to write a well written comment in reply to someone who blocked you, and unknowingly your comment is hidden for everyone because you don’t realize you were blocked.
That's exactly what should happen. If someone can just instantly know when they get blocked, nothing stops them from instantly signing up with alt account to continue bitching at someone.
This is less of an issue with centralized social media, but with federation you absolutely should take measures like this to curb at least some portion of targeted harassment.
And if you bothered someone enough for them to block you, not being allowed to stand on their soapbox anymore (not being able to make comments on their posts visible to everyone else) is a really weird thing to worry about.
IDK, seems like blocking behaving like that on Lemmy could backfire, actually encouraging abuse.
For example. What happens if someone being malicious blocks you and then starts talking shit about you elsewhere in the comment thread? The person being abused would never know.
blocking has always worked really well for me, but I mainly use it to filter what content I see. while it is a bummer that you can't block people commenting on your posts, can't say I've ever been bothered by the comments.
i can block users…
Yes, but they can still see your content and interact with it.
Blocking on lemmy is more like muting. It removes the user for you, but doesn't remove you for them.
I really think demanding all platforms allow you to post content which is viewable to the general public except for specific individuals is naive.
If the default position is that people can see the content, then excluding a few individuals is an exercise in futility
Blocking comments prevents harassment. I've seen people blocking harassers, the harassers would continue to harass them, and the harassed person would know they still comment (the interface shows "2 hidden comments"), and that anyone but them can see those comments.
Definitely not ideal.
Indeed. In those cases community mods can step in and issue bans, but that is a stopgap.
It would be better to have some way to block a given user from interacting with your content, if not prevent them from seeing it.
Oh, I agree.
Its utility isn't meant to make you appear as if you don't exist, but rather eliminate the ability of the blocked account to disturb your experience in any way.
If you block someone, but they can still leave a bunch of nasty comments on every one of your posts which are still visible to everyone else, then that goal hasn't really been achieved.