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[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

3/4 of volume is taken by wood, what are you, russian logistics officer?

also no way to attach spoon-type igniter, this thing is properly ancient design

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (3 children)

want longer range? hear me out:

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[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I’ve seen the videos of boot instructors being rightfully paranoid that the boots are gonna drop the live grenades during training, I feel like adding these into the mix would straight up give them heart attacks.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

yeah, this would end badly. which is why bore-safe 40mm grenades were made (and rifle grenades before that)

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 9 points 10 hours ago
[–] thebigslime@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

Ye olde grenade yeeter

[–] traches@sh.itjust.works 19 points 19 hours ago
[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 28 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

How about just clubbing someone with a live explosive?

[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 22 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

This only works if you are black and Scottish

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

They got more **** ******** ***** **** *** ******* than they got the likes of me.

[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 83 points 1 day ago (15 children)

baseball.

The average American could be expected to already know how to throw a baseball, so it was easier to change the equipment to fit the user than to train every fucking soldier how to throw a lopsided stick.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Knife juggler here, so I have a lot of experience throwing off-CG objects...

It's not really that different from throwing a baseball. It's a little more difficult to catch, but with very little practice ( like 5 or 10 minutes) you'll be able to do it. That being said, I think the "baseball" style grenades where adopted because they can fit through smaller openings, you can roll or tumble them towards your target, they're harder to see, and harder to scoop up and throw back.

[–] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

And that was when the SAS started recruiting 'grenade returner' jugglers.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

Uhh, what do you think Wimbledon is?

[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 14 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

That's a reason for then not now.

Better question is then why didn't Germany stick with the old design instead of switching to more "modern" looking grenades?

And the answer is NOT "baseball". The answer is that they're too heavy and cumbersome. And the cons outweighs the pros.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 6 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

The answer is it simplified NATO logistics

Pray we don't simplify it further

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 11 points 15 hours ago

Is this why soldiers in the rest of the world kick their grenades like a soccer ball?

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 10 hours ago

we are so lucky that basketball wasn't as popular back then

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That and all the other reasons. The only stick grenades still around in appreciable numbers are anti-armor grenades where the handle has a parachute inside. For normal fragmentation grenades, essentially everyone has moved to non-stick grenades (except the USMC who want to make stick grenades).

Even in WW2, the Germans produced more of the boring looking Model 39 grenades than they did of the iconic and eye catching stick grenades. People notice what they want to notice.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Hungary made stick grenades until relatively recently, but even there stick part is much shorter (M42)

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Why I hedge with "essentially everyone" because I know some obscure Literally Who is always going to be an exception.

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[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I put the fuze on both sides, that way I always come out topped.

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Yeah, what could possibly go wrong? Blow me in half?

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 19 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Wisest wizard gets weird in the marines

[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago

It's not weird if the whole squad contribute

[–] Tyfud@lemmy.world 58 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I can carry 8 modern hand grenades, or 2 of those things.

[–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago

I'm pretty sure you can carry at least 3 of them

[–] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

We should use those ball throwers for dogs. Imagine the distance you could get! Then you could have 8 normal grenades and throw them stupid distances.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago

What a sick idea. You should always use balls to play fetch with dogs, grenades are way too expensive.

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

An atlatl for grenades!

A splatlatl, if you will.

[–] ReCursing@lemmings.world 1 points 12 hours ago

Genuinely made me actually laugh out loud

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[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 116 points 1 day ago (12 children)
[–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago

Barbed for my pleasure uwu

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 45 points 1 day ago

This destroys the butthole.

[–] noxy@yiffit.net 18 points 1 day ago

count to ten

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 hours ago

the boys i mean are not refined

[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Too many people tried using them as hammers.

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Not sure if you're joking but the German Stielhandgranate was literally nicknamed "potato masher" by soldiers, so there may be some truth to that

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

TNT filler is very stable. It's fine. I mean, the grenades would not be great as hammers, but they won't explode at a touch.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 80 points 1 day ago (17 children)

The Germans did have hand grenades without a stick. Their doctrine was the stick type was for offensive operations, and the little one was favored for defense.

I assume this has something to do with the distance you can throw them.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 65 points 1 day ago

Also they're way bigger, taking more space in storage and when in transport

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 59 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

We have grenade launchers now.

Someone needs to make one that fires the stick grenades. At 3500 RPM.

[–] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Once again NCD reinvents the bolter

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