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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 86 points 1 week ago (10 children)

I definitely support women’s rights and will always believe in their unfettered right to decide their own reproductive choices. I was worried when I first read this, however. If the only people having children are the fascists and their enablers, I fear the future will be even more bleak than the present. That said, this story does seem to indicate the movement is more based around not having children with Trump voters which I find completely reasonable.

[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago (6 children)

The future is going to be pretty bleak with 10 billion people on the planet, too.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Nah it's cool. That's just a temporary problem.

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[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Would be like Idiocracy, but with fascism

[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

With an already functionally illiterate population. We're soooo much closer to that than you think.

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Do you underestimate my pessimism

[–] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

I'm 51, and I've never been so happy not to have kids in my life.

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[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 76 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

it's interesting to see the summaries become more inaccurate and incendiary as you change the "bias" from left to right.

left wing summary:

  • The 4B movement began in South Korea in 2019, advocating against heterosexual marriage, childbirth, dating, and sexual relationships with men.
  • Supporters aim to boycott a system they believe promotes gender inequity, seeking control over their lives.
  • The movement's potential expansion to the U.S. Is seen as a response to perceived threats to women's rights following an election.

right wing summary:

  • A group of American liberal women launched the "4B Movement" to boycott relationships with men who voted for Donald Trump in the 2020 election.
  • The movement is a protest against perceived threats to women's rights, including concerns about abortion rights and gender equality.
  • The effectiveness of the "4B Movement" in causing political change is currently uncertain, as it primarily aims to make a statement.

notice how the left wing summary properly states that this is a movement that started years ago in korea, and that it's something that women in the US are adopting due to the recent election. meanwhile, the right wing summary falsely claims that the movement was created by "American liberal women". it also claims that the movement was created to "boycott relationships with men who voted for Donald Trump", which is just not true from the other things i've read. everything else seems to indicate that the 4B movement is about boycotting relationships with all men, not just trump supporters. but maybe i'm wrong about that last point.

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[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 54 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Which will work until Project 2025 recodifies rape as a property crime against a woman’s male guardian.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world -4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

They would have done it anyway. Stop justifying male abuse by blaming women.

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[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 44 points 1 week ago

A “women are property” sign showed up in Texas, complete with a reference to old Jewish law via Romans.

In Sunday school I learned that when Jesus arrived it was now his way not the Old Testament way. And yet. Lewis Black has a whole stand up bit regarding his utter confusion at Christians wanting to tap into his god, who he describes as “a real son of a bitch”.

In the context of what is about to happen in America, it makes complete sense. It’s a cherry picked excuse to treat us as prized livestock.

Legacy is a commodity. I would argue it’s the ultimate commodity. And men don’t have choice there unless it’s given to them by a women. Or an abortion ban, wherein rapists now get to choose. Put the pieces together and legacy, in conjunction with traditional male roles attached to that will be sitting in the center.

[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 40 points 1 week ago (3 children)

God damnit the dating scene is already brutal enough. Dating apps are crap. I'm seeing a ton of friends going 4b. And the worst thing (from a dating perspective) is that they are right.

Fuck you Republicans. I hope all your sex dolls pop.

[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The thing is, Republican women aren't interested in 4b. Abstinence can be a really effective means of protest, but only if a majority of women participate. 45% of women voted for Trump, and over 50% of white women voted for Trump. If the only women open to relationships are Republicans, a lot of men who don't care about politics will turn red.

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[–] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (6 children)

If we ever have elections again, convince your friends to not vote for fascism and misogeny.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world -5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The people on Lemmy don't even know what fascism or misogyny is. They can't even detect it. It's astonishing.

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[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Honestly, I think 4b will be very effective because if Jodi Foster can convince one man

[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"If ya wanna shoot your load, your gonna have to shoot your load"

[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

"Dad, what started Civil War 2?"

"Leftists got horny son, now eat your hot chip"

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[–] TunaCowboy@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Are there any self respecting women still fucking republicans?

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Lots unfortunately, ~46% of women voted for Trump. Compared to 53% for Harris. This is less of a gap than there was in Biden v Trump (55% v 43%).

More than half of white women voted for Trump.

[–] TunaCowboy@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

self respecting

[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

More than half of white women who voted voted for trump. Only ~53% of white women voted at all, so about 28% of white women voted for trump

[–] AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Another way to add those numbers is to say 75% of all white women didn't vote for Harris. We can twist stats all day long to try and blame someone, but the reality is that Americans are thirsty for something and Trump promised it to them. Harris failed to read the room. Society is hurting and authoritarianism is a bottle of liquor; you know it's not the best choice but at least it feels good if nobody is going to give you populism.

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[–] frezik@midwest.social 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe a few with a GOP kink?

[–] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] frezik@midwest.social 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Subs can respect themselves.

[–] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

But no self-respecting sub would submit to a trump voter.

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[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Godspeed to them.

Let's get those birth rates lower than Japan and Korea.

We can do this! America numba 1!!!

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