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The democrats haven’t held a legitimate primary since 2008!

In 2008 it was a genuine competition between Obama, Hillary, and a handful of other lesser known politicians. Obama won the general in a landslide.

In 2012 Obama ran unopposed. Obama won the general.

In 2016 the democrats rigged the primary against sanders for Hillary, and to absolutely no one’s surprise who was paying attention, Hillary lost the general. Why? she didn’t genuinely win the primary. Shocking!

In 2020, refusing to learn mistakes from 2016, the democrats once again screwed over bernie and didn’t run a legitimate primary - rigged it so that all the candidates except no-path-to-win Warren exited the race to split the progressive vote away from bernie. Joe biden won by the skin of his teeth, and he would of lost if it weren’t for the country reacting to trumps handling of covid.

In 2024, once again refusing to learn the democrats didn’t even bother with a primary, ran an old demented geezer as a presidential candidate, realized that wasn’t going to work, and then anointed unelected Kamala Harris who didn’t even need to compete in a primary.

And they’re shocked they lost?! These people make way too much money to be this stupid.

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[–] randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

They both have their corporate masters. It's just RedPubs run a pro corporate ticket and Democrats have a platform that is perceived as anti corporate. RedPubs get into the office and do exactly what they promised, Democrats get into the office and have to pretend to not bite the hand that feeds too hard (more of a gentle lick).

This is why the Democrats strategy is to lose. They are essentially paid to lose. Corporatism is what is getting in the way of democracy.

[–] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago
[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] inv3r510n@lemmy.world -1 points 13 hours ago

Sadly 😭 that’s why I can’t take the liberal pearl clutching. They hurt us all - especially those they claim to care about most, minorities of all stripes - with their political malpractice.

[–] clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

2024 lack of primary - this one I blame on Biden. Either he insisted to have the right to run because "this is a tradition, that incumbents run for second term" and/or the party held that view as well.

Every time Dems got owned by Repubs was due to this reliance on tradition

[–] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Agree, at the same time, biden didn’t act alone, nearly the entire democrat party establishment and operatives worked to make that happen and block out any real challengers who don’t have brain worms…

That’s why I ended my post with these people get paid way too much to be this stupid, I’m referring to the swamp monsters of the democrat party.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Biden had claimed he would be a transition president, a bridge to the next generation-- an allusion to being a one-term president.

This is from June, just before his debate:

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/4718993-did-biden-break-his-one-term-pledge/

The tone of that article, with the clarity of hindsight, should be obvious to anyone.

[–] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

I remember that, one of many false promises. But still, the whole DNC apparatus worked alongside him. They had so many opportunities to find other candidates and instead held onto this losing administration because it’s more important that they keep their political operative career than do what’s best for the country.

[–] missingno@fedia.io 79 points 1 day ago (8 children)

I can't stop thinking about how in 2016, my conservative grandmother watched the primary debates and told me she actually thought Bernie made a lot of good points.

And then she went on to vote for Donald Trump in November.

This, I think, is the disconnect the DNC keeps failing to recognize.

We just keep nominating milquetoast centrists whose message is little more than "maintain the status quo", when nobody is happy with the status quo.

But we have to run centrist candidates, they say, or else we'll lose all the voters in the center!

If that's how it works, then why is the GOP winning by doing the exact opposite?

In a world where rent keeps going up but wages stay the same, people are scared and frustrated, and they don't feel like their frustrations are heard.

Along comes a smooth-talking con man who tells them, "I know you're angry at the world, and I'm going to give you a scapegoat to blame it on. It's the immigrants' fault. It's trans people's fault. It's the woke left's fault. It's whatever target I tell you to hate next's fault. And if you elect me, I will stick it to these people in order to Make America Great Again!"

Meanwhile, the best we can do is "Vote for me because everything that other guy said is horrifying." That's it. That's the only real sales pitch we have for Harris. But no matter how terrible the other guy is, it reflects horribly on us that we can't even talk about our own candidate's merits at all.

We need to run a candidate who can say, "I too know you're angry at the world. And I'm here to offer real solutions, not snake oil, and more importantly, not the status quo either."

The difference between the right and left here is that the right actually likes their guy. And if not even we like our candidates, why should voters?

Alas, we learned nothing in 2016 and I suspect the DNC will continue to learn nothing now.

[–] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago

The dnc is absolutely not gonna learn a god damn thing except to once again give a tongue lashing to the left while making out with corporate America and the military industrial complex.

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[–] Bremmy@lemmy.ml 81 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The 14th amendment should have been the end of Trump, period. But Democrats don't want to look partisan and now look where we are.

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I seen to remember a bunch of 14th amendment lawsuits that got shut down by SCOTUS a few days before primaries started.

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[–] pigup@lemmy.world 59 points 1 day ago (23 children)

The billionaires, who already owned the whole thing, did not want it. We got what we got. This downfall started long before 2008.

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[–] the_tab_key@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago (45 children)

My view: yes, the Dems could have some better, but they still put up a legitimately good candidate. The GOP put up a pile of orange dog shit... And the dog shit won. How is it the Dems fault that more than half the population enjoys dog shit?

For the Dems to win, they need to run a fucking perfect campaign and the GOP doesn't. Why? Because media fragmentation and propaganda. The bulk of the population doesn't want to be informed. How is that the Dems fault? How did the Democratic party reach those voters that don't give a shit about truth?

This isn't a failure of the Democratic party, this is a failure of our society.

[–] d3lta19@lemmy.ca 3 points 20 hours ago

Maybe the Dems candidate and platform aren't as good as you think they are if over half of the country would rather have dog shit than your candidate?

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