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Flies away in private jet
A valid critique, but also worth mentioning, as discussed in the article, much of the GHG emissions for the top 10% (which includes households down to ~$200k) comes from passive income.
Friendly reminder to check who you bank with and what's in your 401k if you find yourself in that group.
Local credit union all the way!
are you claiming money is a gas
Basically money is energy. You are using money to buy things which uses energy, stuff produced by machines which need something to run of, not from horses or ppl, but from oil and coal.
I’d like to see it divided up even more on the top 10%. To be in the top 10% of household income in the US, you would need to earn $184,000/year. That’s just two people earning $92k/year, which is reasonable for mid career or early mid career in or near a city.
TIL I'm in the top 10%. Yeah I can't believe I pollute any more than the other 90%. I work 100% from home, only my wife commutes 3 days a week. House is a modest 2200 sq ft. I don't have a boat or RV or plane or anything. I have some modest investment in hotels, cruise lines, and airlines (like under $5k all in). So yeah, this study leaves a lot to be desired.
EDIT: I guess my 401k or other managed investment accounts may have money in fossil fuels, but I'm not sure how I would know that or what exactly I would do about it. I have zero choice for the 401k as it's through my company. Other accounts maybe but how would one even track down managed investment accounts that don't include the largest pollution contributors?
Like lots of data, it's an average. There are lots of people, similar to you, who are not absolute gas guzzlers I'm the top 10%. The top 10% also includes the 1% and the .1%, which will greatly increase the average for the entire category.
Similarly to how an average doesn't tell the whole story, neither does how you invest. Assumptions have to be made to come up with these articles, such as how much carbon emissions are created through investments, which isn't exactly cut and dry.
TL;DR just because an article says that a group of people are the cause of something, it doesn't mean that everyone in the group is causing it.
I’d like to see it divided up even more on the top 10%.
Well the boy howdy do I have good news for you! If you read the article linked (and even better, the open access Journal article linked) you may find some cool nuggets like:
"Among the highest-earning 1% of households (whose income is linked to 15-17% of national emissions), investment holdings account for 38-43% of their emissions,"
And
Then there were "super-emitters" with extremely high overall greenhouse gas emissions, corresponding to about the top 0.1% of households. About 15 days of emissions from a super-emitter was equal to a lifetime of emissions for someone in the poorest 10% in America.
Clicking into the journal article you may even find cool figures like this one, showing breakdown of emissions by category for each income group:
https://journals.plos.org/climate/article/figure?id=10.1371/journal.pclm.0000190.g001
Or this table showing the share of national emissions for each percentile:
https://journals.plos.org/climate/article/figure?id=10.1371/journal.pclm.0000190.t001
Every time I read about the ultra rich the exceed my negative expectations. 15 days = 1 lifetime is waaay more than I thought. My guess would have been like 1 year to build up that much. Wtf are they doing
Yea I read that. I said divided even more. I should have been clearer on that. I’d really like a top 7.5, top 5, top 2.5 and then top 1 and 0.1. There’s a HUGE gap between top 10 and top 1. Like 3-4 times more income.
I'd love for a statistician (or someone that remembers way more about statistics than I do) to give us an equation which allows us to more easily assign blame. My intuition tells me that the yacht-owning class would be a significant portion.
Yep. I’m barely in the top 10%, but I’m in a city and take transit and ride my bike, my wife uses the electric car to drive 5 mins uphill and gains about 60% back coming downhill. We eat local and do recycling and compost. The top 5% living in Texas or in suburbs driving trucks and SUVs are doing way more than me. I don’t think I’m an outlier in modern cities.
Kind of confusing study. I thought it would outline how specifically those 10% are emitting that many gasses, so doing breakdowns like how much it costs to operate their homes and breakdowns of their methods of travel.
But, it is taking into consideration stuff like company they work for so like someone who lives without electricity in a tent and bikes but gets a high wages from a petroleum factory while investing most of their money as an engineer would be considered to be a higher gas emitter than someone who works in insurance while driving suvs and pickup trucks and living in a huge house.
It's pretty abstract. Makes for a catchy headline, but not the direct picture I was hoping for when it comes to a household because it's more an industry revenue analysis.
For those that want to skip straight to the study here it is
https://journals.plos.org/climate/article?id=10.1371/journal.pclm.0000190
Yeah and if the head of an oil company decides to just stop producing then the price will jump for a bit but then others will fill it's place since demand didn't change.
I feel as if this study is only trying to make people angry and have a scapegoat while making them not change anything relevant.
Sure the use of jets and yachts by the richest is a huge asshole move but the biggest leverage is when everyone would stop eating meat or using bikes instead of cars whenever possible
Yeah, because of the revenue and investment source focus of the study what I found interesting is that two people who work at the same place and earns the same salary could lead to the one who invests the money becoming the higher polluter according to the study. Even though the other person is the stereotypical polluter eating meat, mortgage on a huge house, and driving huge cars in contrast to the more minimalistic lifestyle of the other person being the stereotypical green individual who doesn't eat meat and opts for public transport and a modest home.
Like this study is formulated in a way where the numbers are more appropriate for industry analysis than individual household analysis. Data is set in a way that it could be said it's better in the long run to drive suvs than it is to invest, or high polluting companies pay more livable wages. Or if you have million dollars it's less damaging to the environment in the long run to spend that money buying Suvs for your neighbors over investing it with the risk of the assets increasing in valuation leading to bigger polluter stats.
something something eating the rich shold be considered vegan
The people will die of thirst and starvation, to ensure the perpetual growth and gluttony privilege of the rich is protected at all costs.
So we can start to save the earth by eating the rich right?
No shit. Lol. I know it’s not me just running a computer & charging my phone.
Thats actually waaaay lower than I would have guessed. Still not acceptable though.
I kind of dislike studies like this. Because something like 70% of global greenhouse emissions is because around 20000 specific people that have names and addresses are choosing wealth over sustainability, these are people who literally have the power to stop what they are doing tomorrow and make a larger difference then 100 million voters. When you make things abstract and use terms like 1% you are hiding the real villains of the story.
Also market-based solutions like this:
The study asserts that "results suggest an alternative income or shareholder-based carbon tax, focused on investments, may have equity advantages over traditional consumer-facing cap-and-trade or carbon tax options and be a useful policy tool to encourage decarbonization while raising revenue for climate finance."
Will never provide a solution to climate change, because market based solutions are designed to help the rich, not save the planet.
Compost the rich.
Cool, switch to solar.
Saw a documentary about that. They don't give a dime.
You don't say!