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We are constantly told that solutions to some of the greatest challenges facing poor and working class people in the U.S. do not exist. Meanwhile, billions taxpayer dollars are being used to fund the genocide of Palestinians.

That very money could have ended homelessness in the United States.

Money for our needs, not the U.S.-Israeli war machine!

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[–] itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com 2 points 2 hours ago

If there are no homeless, how will the corporations scare the middle class into wage-slave labor?

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 11 points 9 hours ago

Why would you end homelessness though when you can simply criminalise it and send them to prison to work as slaves?

[–] wildcardology@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Imagine giving the DoD $800 billions in yearly budget while still has billions of surplus equipments.

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 17 points 17 hours ago

This implies that they care about the homeless issue. 23 billion is a rounding error in the budget. They just don't want to fix it.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 26 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

For those with a skeptical nature, I hunted down these numbers.

The US has spent ~$18B on direct military aid to Israel since October 7, 2023. They've also spent ~$5B for operations in the region, mostly in the Red Sea and Yemen.

HUD does not provide numbers to "end homelessness", they report on the state of homelessness including an estimated census of the homeless.

Some annalists have taken these numbers and multiplied them by the cost to imprison someone, or the average cost of American housing. These estimates come out to $11-30B.

So the numbers check out. The only fault I could find with this meme's claims is that they are slightly misleading in suggesting $20B could "end homelessness" without the caveat that that's only for one year.

[–] jas0n@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Of course the numbers are good.

My bullshit detector is going off for a different reason. This is an arbitrary short term vs long term comparison. The money that went to Israel wasn't going to HUD either way. As someone correctly pointed out, $20B is a rounding error here.

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 18 points 19 hours ago (6 children)

20 billion could go a long way to curbing homelessness.

20 billion invested in high density, low rent housing units could make housing more accessible to millions of people, including the homeless.

Remember, not all homeless people are completely jobless. Many are couch surfing or sleeping in their cars, have stables jobs, and just can’t afford rent where their job is. An apartment they can afford could do a lot for these people.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

You are correct. I like to focus instead on those lacking shelter who've been completely alienated from society and cannot be 're-rehabilitated'. These are the people who are erased when we speak about how lifestyle or work ethic "redeem" those in extreme poverty.

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[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 20 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Biden just wants to see more dead children

[–] arxdat@lemmy.ml 7 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I don't know about all that, but I do believe he has been captured by the MIC/Corporate influence and has no choice or control at all. But, I might just be naive in my thinking, lol.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 21 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Biden? No. Here's him in 1982 wanting to kill women and children:

Begin said he was shocked at how passionately Biden supported Israel’s invasion when Biden “said he would go even further than Israel, adding that he’d forcefully fend off anyone who sought to invade his country, even if that meant killing women or children.”

https://theintercept.com/2021/04/27/biden-israeli-invasion-lebanon/

[–] arxdat@lemmy.ml 11 points 21 hours ago

Yikes, thanks for sharing that. I’ve not seen anything like this. I have seen him say other pretty asinine things in his past, but nothing like this.

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 10 points 21 hours ago

Unbelievable, but at the same time, being the USA the military hegemony it is, unsurprising too that these are words said by their leader.

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[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 17 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

American democracy in action.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 18 hours ago

Homelessness isn't a bug in the system, its a feature. Employers need the threat of homelessness to push wages down and artificially inflate the labor supply. They need high rents to segregate portions of the community into "worthy" and "unworthy". They need car-culture to keep people isolated from one another in between work and home. They need student debt to trap people into corporate jobs, rather than setting out on their own as entrepreneurs, co-operative partners, and social workers. They need mass media to keep people more afraid of "crime" and welcoming of the "police" than they are welcoming of neighbors-in-need and hostile to state surveillance and harassment of dissidents.

The $26.7B we're sending to Israel is money towards an experiment in regional social controls and ethnic domination. If the Israelis can do it over there, the plutocrats back home can do it over here.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

We barely kept from defaulting on disability payments to our own veterans at the beginning of October. But we've got all the money in the world to create more suffering. Including putting our own troops in harm's way.

FFS.

[–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 14 points 21 hours ago

But if they don't send them to Israel then what will the poor arms manufacturers do? Some still haven't bought a yacht for this month.

[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

http://costofwar.com

The site design could be better though. Human brains don't understand how insanely large those numbers are without a visualization.

[–] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

Secure connection failed. Lemmy hug of death?

[–] celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

More people should play Metal Gear Solid 1-4. Governments don't exist to "help" people, they exist to expand their influence and ideally take over the world. Us civilians are meat for the meat grinder, and at best, mindless drones to tax to fund the meat grinder.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Depends on what class is in control, this is true for dictatorships of the bourgeoisie.

[–] celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 16 hours ago

They're more or less the ones in control, so yeah, that's apt.

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