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Kamala Harris’s running mate urges popular vote system but campaign says issue is not part of Democrats’ agenda

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I'm willing to switch to an electoral trial by bake off.

Here is the thing that scares me. If Republicans make every election cycle this shitty and horrible to witness over and over again I'm going to be so fucking sick of elections in less than a decade.

This exercise of over and over again deteriorating the experience of elections will wear down a part of the populace into saying "FINE! Fuck elections! Go get a king so that I don't have to listen to hateful bilious invective for 9 months out of the year."

I can't be the only one in fear of that type of fatigue to fascism.

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

This could actually open up the space for third parties. Just need to remove winner-takes-all.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 113 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Finally the dems are saying it out loud. They should have been yelling this from the treetops since Bush vs Gore.

[–] growsomethinggood@reddthat.com 44 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It's easy to say and harder to do anything about. I believe it would take a constitutional amendment to fix on the national scale, or "opt-in" from enough states on the state level.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The first step towards change is elevating the conversation to high office, though, so this is something.

Completely agree!

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The popular vote contract sounds interesting, but I like ranked voting more because it allows flexibility in sampling the public opinion of who they'd want. Think of any question a poll could ask you where you feel there isn't a clear yes/no or single answer. Isn't it better when it allows you to pick from a few choices that together reflect your answer? An election not only could turn out more voters, it could give statistical nuances on how people lean among the ones that voted in the winner. Eg., how many that voted both Democrat candidate as well as certain other parties.

Just had a thought that we could even see a person vote Democrat and Republican on a ticket. But at least they got their vote in and showed how they're torn.

[–] growsomethinggood@reddthat.com 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, the compact is definitely a way to get around the current system, not to overhaul it (which it desperately needs but would require 2/3 approval instead of >50% of the electoral college). I agree that if we are able to get constitutional amendments on the table, we should be looking at ranked choice or approval voting systems! But one of the big issues right now is unfamiliarity with either of those systems, and a lot of familiarity with popular choice. That's why it's so important that the many, many local and statewide initiatives for ranked choice get support!

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 4 points 1 week ago

Agreed, the more we see ranked choice locally the more support there will be to expand it. Also "easier" to get it changed at that level.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The popular vote contract sounds interesting, but I like ranked voting more

Those solve two different problems. The first solves the problem of a candidate winning despite having fewer votes; the second solves the spoiler effect.

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[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 week ago

This and Ranked Choice Voting.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 3 points 1 week ago (10 children)

By 2032 Texas will be a solid swing state and the EC becomes near impossible for the GOP to ever win again

We can wait them out, and reap the benefits

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Eight years of right wing malignancy left, may the odds be ever in your favor.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

People argued this idea of a permanent Democratic majority in the 2000s and then again after Obama's election but it never materialized. GenX, with its liberal sensibilities, the rise of college educations, and increased diversity among the population will make it impossible for Republicans to win. Then GenX got older and more conservative and people realized that minorities and college grads could also be made to hate immigrants and queer people.

This idea that "just waiting" is all it will take to end conservatism and other bigotries is a fantasy.

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[–] MouseKeyboard@ttrpg.network 4 points 1 week ago

There are two issues:

  • Parties aren't set in stone, Republicans will shift some positions to appear more palatable and move some states redder

  • If they take power now they are likely to increase Gerrymandering and voter suppression to give themselves an advantage.

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[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 56 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wow, that's crazy a VP candidate for one of the two parties is actually saying this.

Respect.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Tja@programming.dev 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There's a joke here somewhere, but you get a visit from the secret service if you say it...

[–] lolrightythen@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I don't follow your meaning

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Tim Walz will become president if Kamala is elected and later dies.

Given that she is relatively young and apparently healthy, and the US has a gun situation... the most likely cause of death would be a shooting.

Joking about killing a president gets you a serious talking to by the secret service.

[–] lolrightythen@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Yeah, it's not really a joke. Hence the confusion

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 39 points 1 week ago

"but then it would be majority rule!! no faaaaaairrrrr"

-the party of fuck your feelings get over it

[–] qwertilliopasd@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (14 children)

If you live in a state that hasn't joined the NPVIC push your state legislature to adopt it.

[–] SlakrHakr@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago

https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/state-status

Shows the list of states and each state links to a post submission to message your state’s legislature

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[–] 7U5K3N@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That'd be great!!!

I live in a deep red state. My vote won't matter as my states EC votes will go for the Republican candidate.

A popular vote would make my vote count finally.

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[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The far easier plan is to simply increase the size of the House of Representatives. All it needs is a change, or repeal, of the Re-Apportionment Act of 1929. Replace it with something like the Wyoming Rule and done.

Not only does that fix Presidential Elections it would also fix or substantially ease a pile of other problems like Gerrymandering by giving the denser population areas the Representation they should have.

The HoR being fixed at only 435 seats is at the core of so many problems in this country.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Nah, even then the smaller populated states like mine have an outsized influence because it is senate (2) + house (population) number of votes per state. Our votes don't deserve to count more for the head executive (President) that represents everyone.

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[–] aquinteros@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

there wouldn't be a republican president ever again. they won't allow this

[–] SweetBilliam@midwest.social 1 points 6 days ago

What if, now he's me out, they started to adopt popular policies?

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[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I was shocked when I first heard about some people deciding, instead of how many people actually voted for a candidate.

[–] Fuck_u_spez_@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Apparently some Americans were, too.

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Repubs want an electoral college, because it's the only way they can win

Repubs want to keep gerrymandering because it's the only way they can win

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[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Not to mention that a popular vote would be much more secure, and cheaper.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

The republicans will see this as a threat to their way of life. Idiots.

[–] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You need 2/3rds majority to pass the constitutional amendment required to make this happen, so as long as Republicans exist this isn't going to ever be the case. It means they'll never win another election.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 week ago

Not just that, you then need 3/4 of states to sign off on an amendment before it takes effect. More than 1/4 of states benefit from the electoral college, which makes it a hard sell.

There's also that interstate compact (which if it ever takes effect will be challenged in court on grounds that interstate compacts are supposed to be approved by Congress), which is also highly unlikely to take effect for the same reason - there aren't 270 electoral votes worth of states that are either big enough that the electoral college hurts them or willing to hitch themselves so going along with whatever the two or three largest states want.

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