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Javier Milei’s win is a stinging rebuke of the political establishment in a nation battered by economic woes.

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[–] SighBapanada@lemmy.ca 65 points 1 year ago (6 children)

This fascist shit is worldwide. I was just reading yesterday about Canada's Conservative party leader espousing antisemitic conspiracy theories. What the fuck

[–] DeathWearsANecktie@lemm.ee 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fascism embraces the angry and disillusioned victims of global neoliberalism and capitalism.

[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

And climate disaster.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Angry, disillusioned, and and gullible. The gullibility is key because otherwise people wouldn't be so easily persuaded to blame their problems on the fascists' chosen scapegoats.

[–] _wintermute@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is the inevitable consequence of letting current humans have 100% free speech.

We need to stop tolerating the intolerant. The intolerant have just as much right to their message as the tolerant, which when you think about it is disgusting. As long as they don't literally call for a specific person or group of people's death they are totally within their rights to spread their bullshit. And it's not a situation where it becomes a "marketplace of ideas" and the most popular idea wins out. The intolerant will slowly bend government to their will to destroy the free speech they rode in on and put the tolerant against the wall as soon as politically possible.

Stop tolerating the intolerant.

[–] realcaseyrollins@kbin.projectsegfau.lt 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Do you think fascists support free speech?

Edit: holy frick you're wintermute I thought you were gone from the Fediverse for good...dangit!

[–] _wintermute@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you think fascists support free speech?

In function they certainly do when they are spreading their message to gain the power to tear it down. It's not about supporting it. It's about using liberals' own tool against them to take power from them and then never let them have any back.

Edit: holy frick you're wintermute I thought you were gone from the Fediverse for good...dangit!

???

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

I'd explain it by saying they support free speech as a tactic but not as a principle.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Divide and conquer means only half of your working class understands they're being exploited. If after a few decades it's becoming evident that class consciousness is forming, introduce a foreign strawman into the equation and have a culture war.

[–] _wintermute@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

introduce a foreign strawman into the equation and have a culture war.

Trans/gender politics are a perfect example of this. Nothing riles up liberals like a minority being oppressed, and nothing riles up conservatives more than minorities having rights.

Same with abortion and almost anything relating to Christianity in government.

Racism etc etc

Put it all together and baby you got a culture war stew goin'! The American way!

[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

All of the Global Right are working together, Putin helps the GOP and Green Party, and both help the right wing in Europe, Israel, Australia, Brasil, the Gulf states, Turkey, Africa, Asia. This is why their messaging about their talking points is consistent all across the world, they share talking heads and influencers, and they constantly try to cover for each other.

This is the end result of having libertarian techbros running the social media show and it doesn't look like it's going to be changing anytime soon

[–] Stemlo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's a coordinated attack by the right. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Democrat_Union This is the center of the rights global organization. Stephen Harper is the current president of the IDU.

[–] Chatotorix@lemmy.eco.br 21 points 1 year ago

They looked at Bolsonaro's economical, sanitary, environmental, institutional disaster in Brazil and thought, yeah, that's what we want.

Good luck to them.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Argentina's been down this road before. I have no idea why they want to go back.

How many times have they failed to pay their debt? It's never been super stable to begin with.

[–] Ddhuud@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because of the shitty alternatives and the 110% annual Inflation.

[–] Chatotorix@lemmy.eco.br 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The far-right is never, ever an alternative.

They won't fix shit in regards to the inflation anyway.

[–] Ddhuud@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I invite you to come live here in Argentina a few years and check the validity of that statement yourself.

[–] Chatotorix@lemmy.eco.br 4 points 1 year ago

My family has checked the validity of nazifascism, thank you very much. I repeat: never an alternative.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The best part of the online discourse is all of the ill-informed Argentines that voted for him thinking he wasn't a far-right populist, and that he's just a libertarian. The mental gymnastics (and maybe the astroturfing) are real. "He's not far-right, he's just anti-abortion, doesn't believe in climate change, and isn't all that in favor of democracy"

[–] schroedingershat@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Libertarians (or rather ancaps that stole the word) are far right

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Now they are really screwed.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah we weren't screwed before with 200% annual inflation and no human rights! But we will be, for sure

[–] baruchin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think the alarming rise of ultra right movements is because of the failure of leftist governments around the world. So yes, ultra right will come, we'll get tired of that, and then ultra leftists will come again. It's a vicious circle.

[–] hh93@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Germany had 16 years of conservative rule and still has the fat right surge

For them everything is left

And it had nothing to do with governments getting successful or not it's just social media connecting all the racists that previously where to scared to speak out and now there's proof that 20-30% of people are just racists and probably always where

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

How they be fat if Germans be lean?

[–] Ddhuud@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the case of Argentina we come from 20 years of mostly anti-entrepreneur left leaning govts that left us with 110% inflation, and over 40% poor and rising.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

They downvoting you because they can't handle the truth

It's in line with the history of most of South America. Swinging from far left to far right because they both lie and promise economic prosperity while lining their and their friends pockets.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

This is misleading information. The runner up is not a fascist, far right, neither populist.