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[–] padlock4995@lemmy.ml 93 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm glad someone took the time to add the extra thick red circle, I'm not sure i'd have seen the punchline otherwise

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What are you referring to? I missed it

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

look inside the red circle i added

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

i’m still having trouble seeing the punchline. i can’t find any red circle in the picture

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's okay, I've added a small arrow just for you

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

oooh thank you i can see it now

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

Is there a red balloon? If not, that may be a regular creepy clown.

[–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

It made it worse because I read the punchline before the top text because of it.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 month ago (2 children)

He was what we would now call a volcel.

Women were distractions to him, he was much more interested in inventing calculus, arguing over who invented calculus, astronomy, alchemy, economics, etc.

[–] Chev@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Possible, but that would imply he simply had no sexual desires/attraction whatsoever.

Of course, when debating the supposed sexuality of people who lived and died roughly 400 years ago there's always going to room for argument, differing interpretations, and of course rumors.

To which I submit this, part of a 'Fragment on the History of Apostasy', written by Newton himself:

The way to chastity is not to struggle directly with incontinent thoughts but to avert the thoughts by some imployment, or by reading, or meditating on other things, or by convers. By immoderate fasting the body is also put out of its due temper & for want of sleep the fansy is invigorated about whatever it sets it self upon & by degrees inclines towards a delirium in so much that those Monks who fasted most arrived to a state of seing apparitions of weomen & their shapes & of hearing their voices in such a lively manner as made them often think the visions true apparitions of the Devil tempting them to lust.

https://www.newtonproject.ox.ac.uk/view/texts/normalized/THEM00061

Attempting to summarize and translate this into more modern parlance:

Newton thinks the best way to maintain chastity is not to entertain your sexual fantasies/desires in your mind, but to constantly busy yourself with work, reading, meditating or conversation, and also that fasting as monks do actually makes sexual desires so inflamed that it has resulted in many monks having dreams or visions or hallucinations of tempting, lustful women which are so vivid that monks believe them to be from the Devil.

To me, this reads as Newton himself telling us his own preferred strategy of maintaining chastity, implying it is something he struggles with, must put effort into, thus implying he is not asexual, and that his method of quenching his sexual urges is actually superior to that of what many monks do.

Thus, volcel, not asexual.

Again though, this is far from definitive proof!

I'd be interested if anyone could source some actually real evidence either way on this, as a whole lot of Newton's speculated sexuality is pop history or pseudo history based on hearsay.

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't think incels were possible back then

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

... you... don't think there were people too poor, or ugly, or unhygenic, or rude, or abrasive, or poor of health, ... to have ever had a sexual encounter, to ever be married ... and to become misogynistic as a result?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Considering that marriage was not optional for the vast majority of people and the extremely low standards for the treatment of women, incels would have been vanishingly rare. Maybe a few literal lepers.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago

I feel we are both technically correct here.

Were incels common? Almost certainly not.

Were incels impossible? No. Rare, but not impossible.

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz has entered the Chat.

[–] Rolando@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

But has he entered any Neden? That's the real question here...

[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 5 points 1 month ago