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[–] BigLime@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Could it be because she said, 'Israel has a right to defend itself'? Using the language of an apartheid state and genocide defender. I've read her books, she's a classic example of someone who wants to appear progressive, while trying to stay within the boundaries of the establishment.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

When she first became the candidate, I listened to a podcast covering her entire career. The sad thing is that she used to stand for progressive principles, even when it was politically dangerous to do so. Over time, though, she's become more and more conservative. For example, she used to be against the death penalty; now she's for it.

[–] antmzo220@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 days ago (2 children)

This should be expected.

Why would a pro-palestine group endorse a candidate who is pro-Genocide of the Palestinians?

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 days ago

Because in a binary decision between bad and worse, there is still a preference. And when abstaining has historically favored the worse choice, doing nothing is bad.

[–] philo@lemmy.ca -5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Whatever they do, they are effectively helping Trump just as the article says. They should be ashamed of themselves. I know a few of them myself who voted for Jill Stein in 2016 because Hillary should be locked up because of her "emails" but a rapist and misogynist was no problem. All 3 of them have been unable to get work since 2018 since the economy was ruined by the idiot elected in with your help in 2016 that you might put in again by your protest "vote". I have no sympathy for my friends who voted for Stein in 2016 since they did this to themselves as I have no sympathy for you or anyone that doesn't vote Democrat in this election.

BTW - calling for a ceasefire is pro-genocide in your fantasy only

[–] moe93@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca -4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No one is saying Harris is perfect. We don't vote for perfect: we vote for better. Do you need a primer on evolution?

This both-sides/but-her-emails[sic] nonsense only resembles the Russian bot themes accidentally, right?

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

Did you just [sic] your own comment? Who are you quoting?

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Does the democratic party hold no responsibility here in your eyes? It's obvious democrats understand the flaws of First past the post voting, longer then ive been alive!

So why hasn't the states they control switched to a voting system like Ranked Choice voting where there is no spoiler effect?

You don't get to harp on people voting outside the two party system and then do nothing to resolve the issues you bring up.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So Kamala Harris endorsed Trump for them?

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

It would seem so!

[–] banshee@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

From NPR's article:

"At this time, our movement 1) cannot endorse > Vice President Harris; 2) opposes a Donald Trump presidency, whose agenda includes plans to accelerate the killing in Gaza while intensifying the suppression of anti-war organizing; and 3) is not recommending a third-party vote in the Presidential election, especially as third party votes in key swing states could help inadvertently deliver a Trump presidency given our country’s broken electoral college system,"

I'm glad to see they're not advocating for Trump or a third-party candidate that would help him win the election.

[–] Zannsolo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They don't need to endorse her, but the only smart move is to vote for her.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

The only move, really. That should say something about the system, but it still is the only — and right — move.

[–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)
  1. opposes a Donald Trump presidency, whose agenda includes plans to accelerate the killing in Gaza while intensifying the suppression of anti-war organizing;

No they fucking don't. They're sitting on their fucking hands.

[–] banshee@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm confused by your statement. As far as I know, Trump has advocated for escalating violence in Gaza and everywhere else.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Do you have a quote? The only thing I've heard Trump say about it is A) the Oct. 7 attack wouldn't have happened if he were president (lol) and B) he would tell Netanyahu to "end it". He refuses to elaborate.

Whether Harris or Trump is president, it won't matter for the situation in Gaza.

[–] banshee@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Here's one article with a good bit of content for you: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905

One quote:

Trump did lay out a few markers in the three weeks that followed the Hamas attack. He said on Oct. 11 that a future Trump administration would “fully support Israel defeating, dismantling, and permanently destroying the terrorist group Hamas,” while telling the Republican Jewish Coalition later that month that Hamas fighters “will burn forever in the eternal pit of hell." That month, his campaign also said that, if elected again, he would bar Gaza residents from entering the U.S. as part of an expanded travel ban.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Based. Imagine voting for Genocide.