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[–] wanderer@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (5 children)
[–] Chewget@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago

Technically Walter Gerber and Fritz Stettler invented the first processed cheese in Switzerland in 1911 by heating cheese up and mixing in sodium citrate. Kraft patented the process in the USA in 1916. The term "American Cheese" was later coined to refer to any processed cheese.

The American Cheese Wikipedia page is poorly written with mostly redundant information from other Wikipedia pages... it's just a commonly used word to refer to processed cheese and marketing term.

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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

There's so much inaccurate in this, I don't even know where to start. I'll try and find the comment I made the last time this all came up, and either link or copy it here, but it was months ago, so I have no clue if I'll find it.

The short version is that "American cheese" is cheese, just processed with an emulsifier to make it more stable and melt easier.

The process wasn't german in origin, it was swiss, and even that isn't fully accurate since the process used to make the original processed cheese in the US was slightly different.

And, if you read your packages in the US, where the terminology on packaging is legally defined and limited for cheese, you can tell whether or not it has any cheese in it by the terms used.

That's the short version, and unless I find my previous mini essay, that's all the work I'm willing to do this time around, but all of this is verifiable online if anyone wants to write up their own essay on the subject

Edit: holy shit, I actually found it quick! https://sh.itjust.works/comment/8390398

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The swiss are just mountain germans.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

I can't deny this :)

[–] MelodiousFunk 7 points 1 week ago

holy shit, I actually found it quick!

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[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The hamburger did not originate in Germany, despite its name. While the exact origins are debated, it is pretty well agreed that it was created in the US sometimes in the late 19th to early 20th century.

The closest connection to germany that some try to make is an entirely different dish that uses ground beef or pork, which is such a loose connection that you might as well say it originated in Egypt as they were the first civilization to make bread.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The problem is that the origin is "hamburger beef" which is the beef patty that came from Germany. This was combined with a sandwich to create a "hamburger sandwich". Over time, the sandwich part was dropped and now here we are.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It wasn't even really a patty as we know it in burgers, it was more like a slice of breakfast sausage.

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (10 children)

I'd argue if you put breakfast sausage on a bun it adequately fits the definition of a burger.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wouldn't call a slice of sausage a patty, so I disagree

I cannot tell you why, though, and I make my own sausages and burgers by hand so like, I should know why?

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[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The story I heard was that it came to America with Russian Jewish immigrants who took transatlantic ocean liners from Hamburg, which is where it got its name from. (The Jewish origins are important as apparently the beef patty we know originated as a way of prepreparing kosher meals for travelling through areas where options were unknown.)

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People seem to forget there's a difference between American cheese and fucking Kraft singles. Kraft singles are like the Spam "ham" of cheeses.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago

They don't forget, they conveniently ignore the label on kraft singles that says "Cheese Product".

[–] MelodiousFunk 19 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The wider world when they think of American cheese: yellow shiny shrink wrapped oily substance, wiggles like rubber

Me thinking of the American cheese I've eaten all of my life: white, dry-ish, cut from actual blocks at the deli, feels like, well, cheese

Dunno if it's some regional thing or what. The only place I see yellow American is at chain restaurants.

Also, related and timely:

https://youtu.be/2ck8pXRrI7c

[–] Dabundis@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Where I'm from, we have access to sharp american cheese. It slaps.

Pointing to kraft singles and insisting that "american cheese bad" is like pointing to Little Caesars and insisting that pizza is a lousy food.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Little Caesars is pretty darn good, considering it's 1/3 the cost of any other chain.

[–] Dabundis@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My point being that if someone didn't like little caesars and concluded that pizza is bad, that opinion is terribly uninformed

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

Oh, sorry, didn't mean to confuse things. Your point was clear!

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Lots of people only think of Kraft singles when they hear American cheese. Nothing beats a burger/grilled cheese with real deli style American cheese

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[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

That's not American cheese.

That's the kraft "cheese food product".

American cheese is essentially Swiss that hasn't aged.

Edit: looks like they've changed the label, but it still says "cheese product", so NOT cheese, kraft even admits it.

[–] Mrs_deWinter@feddit.org 12 points 1 week ago

Swiss that hasn’t aged

But "Swiss cheese" isn't a thing in itself either. The term is used solely in the US.

Switzerland has all kinds of very different kinds of cheese. Aged and young ones.

[–] Novi@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

Kraft is obligated by food regulations. They can not call a product "cheese" if it is not a certain percentage cheese.

[–] cAUzapNEAGLb@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It also makes a really good grilled cheese

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Yea, people try to get fancy with regular cheese on grilled cheese sandwiches and I hate it. Every one I've tried as soon as it cools off it gets weird and lumpy and gross. Kraft singles stay melty a lot better. Also great on egg sandwiches for the same reason. I do prefer regular cheeses on burgers though.

[–] deadsenator@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

You didn't ask, but I'll tell you how I make a grilled cheese with normal cheese. I have never experienced "lumpy and gross", but perhaps this is left to the individual.

Choose your bread. Anything you desire. Choose your cheeses. Nothing wrong with mixing it up and using different cheeses. If you have one of the cheese platters in the house that has a variety, this is the prime time to make a grilled cheese. Butter the pan and lay down your first slice of bread (medium-low heat). Lay whatever cheese you like on the inner side of the bread (season if desired). Let the bread toast and the cheese will soften, but you can cover it to let the heat build up enough. Not too long though as you don't want moisture building up. Throw your second slice of bread on top when you want and when the bottom side meets your expectations of toasty, flip the sandwich (during the flip, I flick more butter in for the fresh breaded side to begin its toasting session). You are now faced with the toasted side. Take more cheese and place it on the toasted side. I often use parmesan or asiago (you can use any type), but do not use a lot here. When the second side is toasted to suit, flip it back on to the outer cheese side so it can melt and toast again. Then ply the second toasted side with cheese and flip when the time is right. You will have a nicely toasted cheesy side now with the second toasted cheesy side.

You can season with garlic or garlic salt or some other herb or spice you enjoy. I love making grilled cheese sandwiches like this. They seem fancier and definitely have more flavor. I also welcome any constructive criticism or suggestions to help "up" my game further as I am always looking to improve.

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[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

I will not sit here and let grilled cheese be forgotten. American is the best at any melty cheese sandwhich!

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

American cheese is the best cheese for a cheeseburger because it melts without splitting

- Chef Voldemort

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[–] frezik@midwest.social 7 points 1 week ago

Common mistake. American Cheese is cheese. It's a blend, just like Colby Jack, and nobody argues that's not cheese.

Kraft Singles are not cheese. That's different.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Monterey Jack is a proper cheese. Sure there must be others too, as my Georgian colleague is always complaining you can’t get them in Oz.

[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Costco is good for a few America-centric foods in Australia.

Nobody aside from my wife knows that the secret to my BBQ is Montreal steak seasoning and my burgers kick ass because my cheese is American.

[–] Paradachshund@lemmy.today 5 points 1 week ago

I'm not saying American cheese is good, but sometimes you just need that shit on a breakfast sandwich.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's full of emulsifiers and nearly flavorless so it can also make sauces super creamy

[–] MelodiousFunk 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You can add sodium citrate and milk to just about any cheese to make it melt smoother if you want. Skip adding American entirely.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I can find american cheese a lot easier than I can find sodium citrate

[–] MelodiousFunk 4 points 1 week ago

True. But now you have options.

[–] weariedfae@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Aren't you just describing more or less how they actually make American cheese? Real cheese (cheddar and ?) mixed with curd and emulsifiers.

[–] MelodiousFunk 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Pretty much. Just pointing out that you don't need to cut your sauce with American to make it gooey.

[–] Dabundis@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

American is so mild that an even somewhat flavorful cheese will overpower the hell out of it. I'm not worried about a single slice of american diluting my cheese sauce. Not to any perceptible degree, anyway.

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[–] GooberEar@lemmy.wtf 3 points 1 week ago

It's Velveeta, versus cheddar. Our Velveeta melts much better.

[–] Marighost@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

As an American, American "cheese" (including single slices, and things like spray cheese) fucking suck. Give me a good pepperjack or white cheddar on my burger, not that processed shit.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I like the goo in a can on Ritz or Wheat Thins.

But I have no illusion about what I'm eating.

That kraft garbage is not allowed in my house.

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