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Weird how all that protectionist Brexit crap eventually leads to people like this 🤷🏼♂️
Many of these people have existed since long before Brexit, but they now feel more emboldened to make public displays of themselves.
Normalisation of (ever further) right wing views in old media, extremism pipelines in social media, deepening division in culture generally, it’s all playing a part.
We need to start properly looking at the root causes of these attitudes if we want to make real progress. Both where they spread from and why they become accepted.
We need to start properly looking at the root causes of these attitudes if we want to make real progress. Both where they spread from and why they become accepted.
This is exactly what we should do, but instead we'll just call them violent thugs (which they are, of course) and dismiss all of this, bring in some kind of legislation that curbs what people can talk about on the internet (which will have zero effect) and then carry on as if nothing is wrong.
This is an extremely over simplified view of what is happening. As always there is a lot more nuances involved that is washed over when you assign everything to Brexit.
For example here's pretty much the same M.O. from Dublin.
Three young children and a woman were injured in a knife attack outside a school on Parnell Square East yesterday, which has been severely condemned across Ireland.
A demonstration at the edge of the police cordon at the scene began from the early afternoon and escalated as the evening went on.
A crowd of between 100 and 200 people, some of whom wore scarves to cover their faces, confronted gardaí verbally before clashes erupted with riot police.
Tricolours and an "Irish lives matter" sign were held by some who were present.
Fireworks and flares were thrown at police, and just before 7pm, a garda car was seen alight near the scene.
Why would Brexit do this? Ireland is an EU member 🤔.
You'll find similar news from around Europe and around the globe. People are angry, unheard, often poor, and left behind. These tinder box of conditions often erupts into the violence we have seen this week in the UK and the violence described in Ireland in the news article. Of course Brexit has not helped. But it's not the underlying cause. If anything Brexit is another symptom.
Scum like this don't care about Brexit or the EU or you or me or anything really. They just want an excuse for a punch up.
And it wasn’t just bigots or racists who voted for Brexits, or people with worries about ever increasing ties with Europe…
The same puppeteers are pulling the strings across Europe and in the US.
People like this have always existed. Remember the London riots, that had nothing to do with brexit (obviously), but they still used it as an opportunity to steal PlayStations.
These people will take any excuse they can find to have a bit of a riot, they enjoy it.
The way these far right riots are progressing is truly terrifying
It's a surprise no-one has died yet. Unless this can be knocked on the head it's only a matter if time.
Instead of reacting with terror, get out and organise to stop them. Fear leads to learned helplessness, which is the only way such a small minority can cause so much damage. If we're out in the streets to face them down, they'll quickly slink back under the stones they normally hide under.
The two aren't mutually exclusive. You can be terrified and still join counter protests.
And I also can't fault anyone for not feeling able to put themselves in the same location as violent racists.
Damn, I would've expected this kind of rhetoric from "ReformUK" or one of the other alt-right parties, but to hear this from someone meant to be representing labour is horrid. Such little empathy towards these people fleeing the horrors of their home countries - deport people like her to Rwanda then see how they feel about what they're advocating for.
Edit: Also, glad to see a new alternative frontend for Xwitter since Nitter got nuked out of existence.
She's representing her constituents. You know, like an MP is supposed to.
The hotel was set on fire last night, can you not see how pandering to far-right constituents can be dangerous?
Highlighting that our asylum system is broken and really needs sorting out so we don't need to use hotels to house asylum seekers is not pandering to the far-right.
It's actually Labour policy.
You can do that without saying that the local hotel has been taken away from locals by asylum seekers, and that it needs to be 'given back'. The rhetoric is clearly inflammatory.
You are clearly rephrasing this to manufacture dissent.
Saying that a local hotel has been taken away from locals for asylum seekers and needs to be returned is just trying to get the government to talk about what the long term solution is. We are longer ruled by Tories, so the standard can improve.
I'm not clear what you are angry about.
Tamworth benefits from tourism which is restricted due to hotels being unavailable for tourist purposes.
She is clearly stating that temporary accommodation has now expired and a better plan needs to be decided. The amount of articles stating that the hotel placements are a horrible idea that forces people to live in a single room without food preparation areas, without clothing washing and drying facilities, and without private areas are awful has been numerous. The link wasn't her telling asylum seekers to go home, it was standing in parliament calling on the government to stop putting people in unsuitable locations.
This is precisely the conversation we need to have because ignoring it leads to stronger reactions, and ultimately right wing rhetoric of "stop the boats", "deport to Rwanda", and burning the hotels, etc.
Advocating for the people to live in a Holiday Inn for years at a time shows such little empathy towards these people fleeing the horrors of their home countries.
Thank you for finally showing me how to see stupid fuckin Twitter without an account. I hate when important stuff is on there.
She should lose the whip for that.
Meanwhile Yaxley-Lennon is stirring things up whilst sunbathing in Cyprus.
Ironic that he wants to be as brown as the people he hates.