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[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Swiss German doesn't have orthography and üü can absolutely appear.

Edit: They meant Schriftsprache/Schriftdeutsch, which is almost German but without the ß.

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

AfaIk, Schweizer Hochdeutsch is not Schwizerdütsch, but a variety of standard German, with the replacement ß->ss.

[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Ah damn, you're probably right. Schriftdeutsch.

[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The language is a variety of German. But there are no real writing rules. Text you see written in Switzerland, e.g. on signage, is practically Hochdeutsch with the needed substitutions of words, like chicken for for example where they don't use the German word.

Written language between people however has no rules and people write as they speak and that's definitely not Hochdeutsch.

Edit: I just read your post again and maybe that's what you meant and I misunderstood you.

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[–] Servais@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Where does the diagram mention grammar?

[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Orthography. I thought it was a subset of grammar, but no.

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 months ago

I just use my innate knowledge of my fellow Europeans to identify the language well enough to point in the general direction which it came from, or maybe using cardinal directions like "south" or "east"

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure what the c with a line on it is but Estonian (või siis Eesti keel) doesnt have it.

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Where do you see a 'c with a line on it'? Starting from the 'latin' branch, you end up with Estonian saying no to everything except ä and õ.

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

First thing left from "start here"

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

That's a c with a hatschek or caron and Estonian is in the 'no' branch (red).

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

Ah, it seems my eyes had a malfunction

[–] SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)
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[–] drathvedro@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

The only source I found for the "kiillt saam" is this page. Was it meant to be Kildin Sámi?

[–] IAmNotACat@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

In primarily Irish speaking places you might find TH missing from the orthography entirely.

Similarly, I wonder if ä could show up in English. Such as in diäeresis.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

No. For that to be the case you'd need to start pronouncing stuff correctly.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world -3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Swedish doesn't have ø ffs

Edit: sorry my bad, its a "No" link, works as expected.

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