Other than selling mediocre coffee and McMansions to each other, Canada has precious little else. That's why we cling like limpets to extractive industry: without it, we've got nothing because our governments have comprehensively failed to develop much of an industry, preferring to give tax breaks to oil barons and house traders.
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There is also West Coast forestry which is going to nosedive as we destroy most of the trees in BC as climate change burns and floods through the rest.
We don't even own our shitty coffee anymore, and most of our mcmansions are owned by foreign investors.
I was writing a rant, but yeah, I'm tired of our industry being snapped up and run into the ground and important crown corps or public works being sold off for pennies.
We didn't get here overnight and we won't get out overnight either, there's definitely been some movement, lots of strategic plans and investments plus the technology superclusters are working to update our industry, just would like to see the needle move faster and like, more reporting and messaging on what's being done at each level of government because I don't feel like we're generally aware of that.
Extractive industry is heavily required if we're going to get off fossil fuels, we have tons of metals that are pretty damn important for building nuclear and various renewable energy sources.
But in the meantime, the world was clamouring for natural gas because of sudden restrictions due to the war in Ukraine and it was pants-on-head retarded to turn that down.
Which is true, but the issue is that Canada didn't plan ahead like either Saudi Arabia or Norway and use our oil wealth for something useful.
We have away royalties and used the money for tax cuts and giveaways to the rich. Alberta in particular is guilty of being unable to plan for a rainy day.
Uhm, natural gas is not an alternative to oil. Has the same problems.
They were saying we should have taken advantage of the short-term opportunity.
The problem is that Natural Gas is not portable and the plants required to ship it overseas take time and investment to build.
So, the situation was not so “pants on head” obvious really. That said, I agree with them that we should have done it. I say that as somebody that would like the fossil fuel industry to go away.
Canada would probably be a major LNG provider to Europe at this point if we had done it. However, they are trying to transition away from it as well so the clock is ticking. And, of course, if the war ends, some will go back to buying from Russia. So it was only ever a short-term opportunity for Canada ( though longer than many believed at the time ).
Natural Gas is still a fossil fuel so your main argument is correct. However, it is a lot better than oil or coal. It makes sense to move to natural gas over coal to generate electricity and the world is doing that. It also would have made sense to move vehicles, especially larger trucks, to Natural Gas. Even if the end-goal is electric, NG would have been a great first step ( especially in paces where the electricity is coal or natural gas anyway ).
Fossil fuels aren't a yes/no thing, we aren't getting off them cold turkey and neither is any other country. Part of the process is substituting higher emitting fossil fuels with lower emitting ones while we work towards the goal.
For the 25½ years we have left? Better subsidize research on alternatives to plastic and kerosine. Oil getting more expensive in the process would even be helpful.
Should have, yes. But time is short now.
Extractive industry is heavily required if we're going to get off fossil fuels
Can you explain why? As in, why does Canada need so much mining when there are other wealthy nations that don’t focus so much on it?
Maybe all nations do, idk
Because we are the second largest country in the world and have vast amount of natural resources... why shouldn't we develop them?
All the materials being used by these tiny (geography-wise) European countries that many consider to be "better" than us certainly aren't coming from those countries... why shouldn't it come from us?
Shouldn’t that mean we are, economically, in a better position than those tiny European countries?
I’m not too savvy but I always thought Canada’s economy is worse than the average Western European country. Maybe that’s not true either.
We're worse off because we severely limit our development of our natural resources and a lot of what we do develop is exported in a fairly raw state (we don't do much value adding).
"pipsqueak1984" -- guys I think I found Pierre.
Every country is different, and they all have their economic strengths. Ours happens to be relatively environmentally conscious resource extraction, and if we stop then that just drives demand towards other regions where things aren't done to the same high standards.
When the USA stops flirting and goes fully fascist we can become a powerhouse in scientific research and film/tv production.
When the USA goes full on fascism, we're France.
Unfortunately, we probably don't even get to be France. We might be Austria though.
I dont think so. America will still want to believe they are good and righteous long after the truth is clear to everyone else. They will victimize far away "evils" in the name of freedom and democracy while keeping up appearances. Mexico on the other hand...
They are fully capable of atrocities up to and including nuking any number of countries and still feel good and righteous. Like many occupiers of France did.
The walrus got two things wrong, right in the headline:
Canada
Alberta
On for dear life
..the rest of Canada hostage
Other than that, good title.
Alberta just kicked Coal years ahead of schedule. Yes, they’re also keeping the rest of the country using and producing oil, but clearly that province is working hard to reduce emissions.
Something is working
Canada is run by oil companies. They need to make hay while the sun shines. When the price crashes, their whales will already have quietly moved their assets elsewhere, and the people who actually use Canada as a place to live instead of as a colonialist state that exists to serve corporations will just be fucked. Tell me that's not the actual plan.
Canada as a place to live instead of as a colonialist state that exists to serve corporations
And right there is the best summary I’ve seen for what is wrong with Canada
In a sense it's not at all what is wrong with Canada, because it's literally what Canada was created to be. This is Canada functioning as designed. Nothing has fundamentally changed since it was created to serve the Hudson Bay Company.
Ok, I won't tell you that.
you made a slight error in parsing. I asked you to tell me.
I mean despite the oil companies whining about how important they are oil represents what, 3.5 percent of Canada’s GDP?
Yes and no. The article states that oil represents 120,000 jobs in Alberta. If we shut-down the industry today, would we lose that many jobs? No, far more.
What is the economy of Fort MacMurray without oil? There are probably 2 million jobs directly funded by the oil industry.
To be clear, I am not advocating for oil. I agree that we need to be moving the economy off it. Let’s not understate the problem though or we will do nothing.
Don't worry, we can fall back on our #1 driver of GDP... real estate!
peak around 2030
And then we have to get rid of it in only 20 years? Ambitious.
I'm being a bit cynical here, but is it because the coal comes from BC?
No. If you want to be cynical, ask if they are still burning natural gas.
The natural gas comes from Alberta, the coal comes from BC though, no?
I think they are coal free ( regardless of source ). However, they are not “fossil fuel” free as in believe they still burn natural gas to generate electricity ( more than ever I think ).
Better but maybe not what people think when they boast about being “coal free”.
Not relevant, but am I the only one who sees that preview graphic and hears the "Level Passed" music from Super Mario Bros?
all I can hear right now is detachable detachable detachable penis