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Hi,

I found online a nice (and seemed easy) math problem.

Rocket A travel from Mars to Earth in 200 days
Rocket B travel from Earth to Mars in 150 days, but take off 30 days later

When they cross each other, which one is the closet to the earth ?

So they give a "flat" answer, without giving any explanation on how they reach this conclusion.

What would be your simplest Mathematical solution for this ?

Thanks.

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[–] Buffman@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They’re both the same distance from Earth when they meet.

[–] tooclose104@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 months ago

Ya, more of a logic problem than a math problem based on the question asked

[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe I read it wrong. I don't see how math is necessary at all. If the two ships "cross" each other it means they're at the same point in space right? Or like right next to each other? So they're both the same distance from earth aren't they? Am I about to get woooshed? Lol

Edit: Upon re reading the question I realize it actually says "which one is the closet to Earth."

I'm afraid I don't know the answer to that one...

[–] Donatello@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

@MrJameGumb@lemmy.world No you were right at first ! the question is

When they cross each other, which one is the closet to the earth ?

So indeed when they cross they are the same point in space (more or less otherwise it's a collision :) ) so if they are at the same point the are at the same distance to Earth... :)

[–] rImITywR@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Some simplifying assumptions.

Let the distance from Earth to Mars be equal to 1, and assume it does not change. Let the direction from Earth to Mars be the positive direction.

Assume that the rockets travel at a constant velocity.

The displacement of the rockets can be represented with the lines

S_B(t) = (1/150)(t-30) = (1/150)t - (1/5)
S_A(t) = (-1/200)t + 1

Where t is time in days since rocket A took off. Notice rocket A has a negative slope (negative velocity) since it is moving from Mars to Earth. Rocket A has an initial position of 1, since it starts at Mars. Rocket B has a horizontal shift to the right of 30 days, representing it taking off later.

The rockets cross where these lines intersect. So

(1/150)t - (1/5) = (-1/200)t + 1
((1/150)+(1/200))t = 1 + (1/5)
(7/600)t = (6/5)
t = 720/7 ~= 103

So the rockets cross approximately 103 days after rocket A took off. The position at that time is

S_A(720/7) = (-1/200)(720/7) + 1
    =(-18/35) + 1 = 17/35 ~= 0.49

So when they cross, they are about 49% of the way from Earth to Mars. Just closer to Earth than Mars.

When they cross each other, which one is the closet to the earth ?

This is why you read the while question before trying to answer it. When the cross, they are both the same distance from Earth.

[–] meant2live218@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Edit: I didn't read the entirety of the problem, but in any case, this should help you state almost anything regarding the simple math. Note that in actuality, I don't think there would be a true meeting place due to orbital paths, but if you treat it as a linear "train" problem, this is how I would do it.

This may not be the simplest, but here's an easy way to just use lots of substitution and basic algebra.

Let t = time in days to meet

Let a = speed (not velocity) of rocket A

Let b = speed (not velocity) of rocket B

1 = 200 * a

1 = 150 * b

200a = 150b

a = (3/4)b

1 = (t * a) + (t - 30) * b

Substitute for a

1 = (3/4)bt + bt - 30b = (7/4)b - 30b

Recall that 1 = 150 * b and set these equal

150b = (7/4 * t - 30) b

Divide by b

150 = 1.75t - 30

1.75t = 180

t ~ 103 days

At 103 days, the ships will meet, and since it's over half the time it takes for rocket A to reach Earth, the meeting point will be closer to Earth.

[–] Didros@beehaw.org 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Normally, we consider speed as distance divided by time, but the distance is assumed to be the same here. So consider this in the form of Y=mX+b where m is tge scale of distance traveled/time and b is used for start day.
A = X/200
B = -x/150 - 30
So you just need to solve for X here:
X/200 = -X/150-30

Math is a language, and you need to translate it in your head to English like any other.

[–] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

(Edit: late at night, math brain no work)

[–] meant2live218@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Not a bad approach, but 100/150 is 0.6666, not 0.75.

[–] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago

Bah, too late at night. Thanks for the correction!