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[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 79 points 4 months ago (10 children)

I thought it was our ability to just run and run and run that broke evolution.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 55 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I think we have a lot going for us.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] can@sh.itjust.works 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A lot going against us for sure.

[–] Lemmeenym@lemm.ee 18 points 4 months ago
[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)

True enough. But given that we are going to drive ourselves to extinction in a geological blink of an eye, it really didn’t do us that great. Should have evolved into a crab.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 20 points 4 months ago

I mean, you can't really say that we're going to drive ourselves to extinction, until we've been driven to extinction. Most things people list as likely to do this, climate change, nuclear war, are things that could conceivably do so, but honestly aren't likely to. Destroy civilization maybe, but that just takes disrupting supply lines hard enough. Extinction means nobody, anywhere on the planet survives, even if it's some little pocket of people in some corner of the world whose climate is good after warming is considered and which isn't a target of any nuclear arsenals, because in a number of generations such a little pocket can grow to repopulate the planet again. It's not an impossible thing for sure, but killing off a species capable of surviving in almost any climate zone found on the planet, with the ability to manipulate the growth of it's own food supply, and adapt new tools actively in response to problems within a single generation, is a difficult task.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Humana have been around for several million years. Clothing alone is what, 3.5 million years old?

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[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 36 points 4 months ago (6 children)

I think the invention of engineering is what finally broke evolution, but there are a lot of factors we have that bootstrapped us to that point. Walking upright on two legs is more efficient at the price of raw power. Many creatures can outrun a human but no land animal can come close to our jogging range. A Cheetah can go 60 miles an hour for a minute or so but a human can go 10 miles per hour for 6 hours straight. It also frees our forelimbs, already made flexible, versatile and dexterous by our distant tree swinging ancestors, for tool use. Funnily enough, another ability that is unparalleled in nature is our ability to throw things with accuracy and power. You also need pretty good hands to master fire, and thus cooking, and thus unlocking extra nutrients from the food you catch, which provides for that very hungry brain of ours. A few millennia later and we've pretty much got control of the biosphere itself.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 15 points 4 months ago

Plus, great booties and boobies

Being hyper violent also helps

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[–] nieceandtows@programming.dev 25 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It's definitely these two things plus our ability to digest meat as well as plant matter, plus our communication and social skills plus...

[–] PlexSheep@infosec.pub 22 points 4 months ago

Tools and making tools. We fucking tricked stones into thinking

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[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

We had the tall stride thing going, we had the super-endurance thing going already, we had gotten good at tool-use like many other primates, in that we could use sticks and rocks to beat things and poke things, just like modern chimps and apes. (Modern primates also throw stones, it's not the evolution-killer on its own that the meme is making it out to be.)

No, the REAL thing that soared us beyond all members of the animal kingdom is how we started abstracting information and sharing it. IE: language, writing, and the cognitive processes behind those skills that allow us to plan ahead. Not just planning ahead, but being able to set up actions far in advance, like planting seeds because we know a plant will come out of it. Moving our camps to where animal herds migrate to so we can stay close to the food, and just the day-to-day actions like preparing a fire in advance so you can see when it gets dark, bringing things with you to use later, having an idea how to ration food, being able to share your plans with others, communicating your movements to other hunters, and yes, all this made us exceptional hunters. When other primates were still mostly foraging for plants and bugs, our ancestors used this "thinking" thing to start getting massive doses of meat. Amino acids, proteins, high-density fuel, food for growing brains.

Not to mention, we're the only creature that chooses when to reproduce. We used this foresight to plan our futures and our families. This is a massive changeup from how nature has handled reproduction. For the vast majority of life on Earth, breeding is just this thing that "happens" at certain points and everything leads to that event, and nothing really has control over how that event plays out.

Breeding is still a big deal for us, just look how horny we all are, but we decide when we're going to have babies, and while it doesn't seem a big deal here and now, it was a game changer when we were migrating packs of hunter-gatherers, following the seasons and the herds of animals.

Our story of how we got here is without question the most fantastic story ever. You are the product of over four and a half billion years of uninterrupted successes. A family tree going back a thousands of millions of years without break, surviving apocalypses that have turned our entire globe to ice, to fire, to water and other unimaginable catastrophes that sometimes lasted for millions of years.

So now you made it, your billions of generations of ancestors secured your survival against all odds, whatcha gonna do with it?

[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 5 points 4 months ago

I mean, every existent species is the result of millions of generations. We all fill our niches, until we don’t. So even the humble tortoise is just as remarkable as us in that way, but I bet they will outlast us given how long they’ve existed.

The thing that always stuck with me about evolution is that we are related to everything. The pup I’m sitting next to is pretty close to me in terms of evolutionary time, the potatoes I ate are a lot more distant, but it is still my cousin, etc. It really makes me feel like I’m part of the world knowing that.

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[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

It was actually cooking. We learned to grind up meat instead of chewing it, small teeth was the first step.

[–] TwanHE@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

Losing our hairy bodies and using our signature ability "Sweat" really did a number on all those that are faster than us in a sprint.

[–] Lemmeenym@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

We're not the only ones that can do that. Wolves, dingoes and other wild dogs, and hyenas are also persistence predators. All species of the Homo genus were persistence predators but we're the only one still around.

E:Our level of hand eye coordination is unique to the Homo genus. We're the only living animals that can use thrown weapons effectively. Chimpanzees are the next best throwers and at a range of 6.5ft they hit their target with about 11% of their throws.

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[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Uh no, evolution isn't broken. And humans still evolve too, like getting still more gracile, some children not having wisdom teeth anymore and so on.

[–] danhab99@programming.dev 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Aren't some wolves also persistent hunters?

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago

In packs, but they are also hunting in cold climates where they can lose heat a little easier. However, many dogs do have pretty good endurance, but I doubt they could do a marathon.

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[–] rsuri@lemmy.world 49 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I fucking loved this video as a kid.

Wooooooooooo

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 8 points 4 months ago

IT'S EVOLUTION BABY!!!

[–] Hupf@feddit.de 45 points 4 months ago
[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 44 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Don’t worry, animals. It’s temporary.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I dunno. I think the animals should worry. The Anthropocene is going to mean millions of species of things cease to exist because we're changing the global climate.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 39 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I threw pinecones at birds that were picking at the window for some reason. I think it short circuits their brain to see an object coming at them. They haven't been back since.

[–] Track_Shovel 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is the reaction for most animals

[–] Echinoderm@aussie.zone 13 points 4 months ago

Including humans. I'm not going near the person launching pinecones at my head from their yard.

[–] MagicPterodactyl@lemmy.ml 22 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Ok but why is he kinda hot?

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 4 months ago (4 children)

How do you think we got the Neanderthal DNA in the mix?

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[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 months ago
[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago
[–] pelletbucket@lemm.ee 15 points 4 months ago

apparently there's evidence that spitting cobras evolved specifically to deal with stick and rock-wielding primates

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nice horns you got there, I can make a throwable one that I can replace in seconds.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I claim hax

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Not gonna lie we kinda broke the meta game

[–] kionite231@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I am not sure where y'all evolved, but you skipped a few thousand years and a whole bunch of sharpened sticks.

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[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago
[–] uis@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

This is Incorrect because humans are not fungi

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