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Could someone explain the joke? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 4 months ago by turnerpike20@lemmy.ml to c/dccomics@lemmy.ml

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There are a number of Wonder Woman movies but not one movie with Rocket Raccoon as a main character and Guardians of The Galaxy Vol 3 where he actually did play somewhat of a major role to the movie. Note as well I found it on Reddit as a 10-year-old post so Guardians of The Galaxy Vol 3 wasn't out yet and basically yeah the first movie was still new so yeah 2014 is when this meme was made. Is the joke meant to point fun at the fact that people criticize Wonder Woman movies cause the most recent one at this time was in 2011? I honestly just don't get what this joke is trying to convey.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

DC talks down their a-list characters while Marvel promotes their c and d list characters.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Well yeah, but thats because the main DC characters.... kinda suck. They were created back at the dawn of superhero stories, so they're not exactly complex or nuanced characters because they didn't need to be! They were the ones that everyone else measured complexity and nuance from! But DC is too scared to do something novel with them (because yeah, dont reimagine cultural icons, that never ends well) or to put their B-list characters (you know, the ones that haven't been stagnating as cultural landmarks for 80 years) as the leading characters in a major feature, because they've got nowhere near the name recognition of the leaguers. It's a damn shame, because they could revive so many of the experimental stories they've done over the years, but instead we get the drywall spackle blockflusters DC is known for these days.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I dunno, Superman (1938) and Batman (1939) are both older than Wonder Woman (1941).

Her big problem is that even though she's been around for 83 years, she doesn't really have any iconic villains or storylines.

I think the best they could do would be to try to adapt Spirit of Truth:

https://www.dc.com/graphic-novels/wonder-woman-spirit-of-truth

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yeah, most people don't even know what WW's name is, let alone her villains or classic plots. Though my initial comment was more to the tragedy of DC just sitting and recycling classic storylines because they've safe than a specific comment about WW.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

The Marvel's main characters are newer, but they are outdated today too. The difference is that Marvel kept recreating them.

My impression is that Marvel people are just more rebellious and iconoclastic.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

Nah, I think the gist is that DC, and the parent company, have a skewed view of what their characters mean compared to the way Marvel and their parent company use theirs.

You're over thinking rocket's screen time as a factor. It's the fact that marvel, and Disney, knew damn good and well that the characters they picked for the early MCU phases would work and knew enough to not crap on the essence of the characters. Yeah, they threw comic canon onto a back shelf, but they referenced it while establishing the universe and characters as they went.

DC no longer gets the heart of their characters, they think of them as monoliths, these too large for life epic things. And that means they refuse to just make a movie about the characters as the fans know them. They also refuse to do proper world building before expecting fans to jump aboard.

Now, there's a dozen reasons for that opinion, more than anyone but a dedicated comic geek would bother with reading. Suffice it to say that DC has the same trouble in their comics sometimes. And it shows the difference in "philosophy" between the people running the companies and how they want to maximize their IP. I wish I could say that it was more about the execs actually caring, but that's not realistic, it's about making money off of the property first, and anything else is just luck.

[–] gerbler@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

The joke would have worked better with Black Window instead of WW. Disney held off on any black or woman-led films for years (BW debuted in the third MCU film) because one executive (who's name I don't recall) refused to green light any project without a white male lead. It took over a decade for a BW movie and nearly as long for Black Panther.