I took a music business class and I vaguely remember this subject. I'm pretty sure dude was actually in the hole from frivolous spending, and also partially due to the way the music rights worked out.

[–] Weirdmusic@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago (2 children)

He was also to only human know to have gone for nearly 2 months without any REM sleep

https://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/21/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html#:~:text=to%20his%20death.-,Jackson%20may%20be%20the%20only%20human%20ever%20to%20go%20two,nights%20of%20propofol%20infusions%20Dr.

[–] NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

This is the most interested I've ever been in Michael Jackson.

[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

[–] Psionicsickness@reddthat.com 20 points 4 months ago

That’s just because he was in an American hospital when he went.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

I saw a documentary about him once where they showed him in a Las Vegas hotel. He decided he wanted to go shopping, so they took him to the fancy art store there. We're talking paintings that cost a couple million dollars each. He walked through the store and pointed at things he liked and his handlers bought everything for him. If that was an average day for him, then I'm not surprised he was heavily in debt. They had to close everything off just for him to go places, which I'm sure also costs a fortune. Fans would get a glimpse of him walking and break down into hysterics and tears. It was quite the spectacle.

[+] Etterra@lemmy.world -52 points 4 months ago (2 children)

He was also a pedophile.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Here's a legitimate question...at what point, in your mind, does a child who's suffered years of sexual abuse deserve to lose every shred of empathy? In no way am I ever going to excuse what MJ might have done, but he himself was also a victim for so many years, and was set up to fail from the beginning by his family and the industry

[–] Superfool@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's a difficult question.

A very large percentage of paedophiles are victims themselves. Children don't have any characteristics that arouse me, and to dwell on the thought males me feel very uncomfortable indeed.

If a person is attracted to a child in a sexual manner, then for want of a better way of putting it, there has to be something wrong with that. Arguably that person needs help rather than incarceration.

But then there are the victims of the paedophile. They deserve justice, and children deserve to be safe.

Maybe MJ was a private and quirky troubled artist who was guilty of poor optics. Maybe he was a serial serial offender, who was enabled BT paid off security, parents etc.

We will never know what MJ did or did not do with those children, but they were failed by multiple adults, regardless. If you let your kid play on a main road you are a terrible parent, whether they get hit by a car or not. Every person that did not intervene, allowed that child to continue playing is as responsible as the parent.

[–] lars@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And there are mountains of child-abuse victims who never abuse children. MJ was treated worse than most children can even imagine but the advantages he took on other children is unacceptable.

[–] Superfool@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I didn't mean to suggest that all child-abuse victims went on to become abusers.

[–] lars@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 4 months ago

Thanks — and it didn’t come across that way

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Nah, my friend used to hang out at MJ’s house all the time and he doesn’t remember any pedophilia. Or anything else.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 months ago

You almost got me there...

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago

The sleepovers were such a pain in the arse.