She’s an absolute helmet, but that’s not since she managed to get elected. Perhaps those voters deserve everything they get? It feels like a teachable moment
this post was submitted on 02 Aug 2023
19 points (100.0% liked)
UK Politics
3076 readers
193 users here now
General Discussion for politics in the UK.
Please don't post to both !uk_politics@feddit.uk and !unitedkingdom@feddit.uk .
Pick the most appropriate, and put it there.
Posts should be related to UK-centric politics, and should be either a link to a reputable news source for news, or a text post on this community.
Opinion pieces are also allowed, provided they are not misleading/misrepresented/drivel, and have proper sources.
If you think "reputable news source" needs some definition, by all means start a meta thread. (These things should be publicly discussed)
Posts should be manually submitted, not by bot. Link titles should not be editorialised.
Disappointing comments will generally be left to fester in ratio, outright horrible comments will be removed.
Message the mods if you feel something really should be removed, or if a user seems to have a pattern of awful comments.
!ukpolitics@lemm.ee appears to have vanished! We can still see cached content from this link, but goodbye I guess! :'(
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
There's plenty of examples of MPs being shits and letting down their constituents without any sort of penalty and worse.... getting paid a wedge to do it! SNP this week, this Tory hag, that Labour MP for Sheffield Halam that took Nick Sir Cleggers' seat and went on to snort half of Columbia up his nose. This isn't a party issue, this is a people being cunts issues.
I'm actually surprised and shocked that by now there isn't more than just a wishy washy code of conduct but actual rules for crap like this in the commons. Get an independent HR firm to set modern and robust rules for the HOC and HOL and end this never ending news cycle.
Hopefully Keir will push for that first thing when he gets in.... right?
It most certainly is not a party issue. It is very much more prevalent with the current crop of Tories, but then this lot are not the norm for a Tory party. There is nothing to say this will not happen again in any of the parties. It is a gap that needs plugging.
How long does it take for something to become the "norm" as it's four years now since the 2019 Brexit intake.
In what context?
Well, you say it's not the "norm" for the Tories, but it's lasted an entire Parliament and unless there's a huge purge after the election it appears to be their future.
My opinion is that there will either be a huge purge as you say, or a split in the party at some point. It very much depends on how much of a kicking they take at the next election and who they elect as leader in the aftermath of that defeat.
Sunak, if anything, is making their position worse daily in how the public perceives the Tory party. He is very inactive in government, and the things he does push have a only negative outcomes. He refuses to deal with renegade MPs. Dorries should have had the whip removed, and been reported to the privileges committee. He should have attended the vote with Johnson. He has made some incredible appointments, which basically tells everyone to go **** themselves. I am starting to think he believes in his own entitlement to be PM just because of who he is. He made zero appearances in the last by-elections, and made next to nothing in comments around that time. People in natural Tory areas are feeling abandoned.
All governments, Labour included, try to promote some good news or spin around a year before they know an election will take place. And yet we have nothing from the Tories. We are only hearing more doom, gloom and despondency. 30p Lee actually publicly stated that they would fight their next election with culture wars.
Not every MP is in it to be dishonest. And there are plenty dishonest MPs on both sides of the house. I can easily see that many Tory MPs have stayed firstly for security, it is their livelihood after all, and secondly with the illusion that they could fix the party. If the Tories take the kicking that is looking likely, then the frog will be out of the slow boil and straight into the frying pan. The good MPs will see exactly where the support in the party lies with the post mortem of the election.
If the Tories continue as they are and elect someone like Braverman as leader, many will just quit, and that really could be the final death knell. Mordant is the strange one that leaves predictions wide open. Mostly because she is willing to adapt. Braverman, Davies etc have taken a firm line with their policies. They will never change because of the background events that are making them stay as an MP. It has been said time and time again that Ben Wallace would be the best steady head they could get to lead. This would be fine for the interim and he would remove the power of the ERG and the NZSG. But he lacks the charisma required to be popular in the media. He would end up looking like an Ian Duncan Smith. Ben Wallace would stop a lot of good MPs from leaving imo, and possibly deselect some of the more extreme bad personalities.
There is a mechanism to trigger a by-election for cases like this - in fact, there was a news article just the other day where this happened elsewhere: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-66376464
I think (this was pointed out to me in an older thread) that a Recall Petition is only applicable when the MP in question has broken the law.
https://erskinemay.parliament.uk/section/4912/recall-of-mps/ If she was suspended from parliament (not just the party) then she would meet the conditions for recall. I don’t think she has been suspended, yet.
Also; 1/10 of voters is a high bar to meet in the Tory heartland.
Ah, that's a shame.
That does not apply here.
When will a recall petition be triggered?
The Act introduces a process by which an MP will lose their seat in the House of Commons if a petition to recall them is successful.
The Petition Officer will open a recall petition after the Speaker of the House of Commons notifies them that an MP has been:
- convicted of an offence and received a custodial sentence (including a suspended sentence) or ordered to be detained, other than solely under mental health legislation
- barred from the House of Commons for 10 sitting days or 14 calendar days, or
- convicted of providing false or misleading information for allowance claims under the Parliamentary Standards Act 2009.