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Xenophobia is only acceptable against ALIENS (lemmy.world)
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[–] Enkrod@feddit.de 34 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I go completely cosplay in those worlds, hell yeah, xenophobia is part of the lore and it's fun to flip your usual behavior to let off some steam in a safe and gratifying way. I'll play the "Xeno-Scum!" screaming commissar as well as the medieval knight who thinks black people are naturally inferior. But every fucking time, there's some asshole in the fandom whose damaged brain thinks this somehow translates into acceptable behavior IRL.

No dude! How do the huge black, red and straight out Antifa-Flag hanging in the playroom, the dozens of stickers everywhere showing a fist destroying a swastika and the fotos from demonstrations showing us with the local democratic-socialist youth not give it away? Our clubhouse is not a safe place for fascists to be in!

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 38 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I’ll play the “Xeno-Scum!” screaming commissar as well as the medieval knight who thinks black people are naturally inferior.

I get and agree with your overall point, but as a matter of petty pedantry (sorry) I have to point out that racism in that sense was pretty absent in the Medieval period, at least amongst Europeans, who saw Subsaharan Africans as more fascinating than inferior. "Black = Inferior" started developing with the slave trade in the 16th century, and didn't really hit full speed until the start of the 18th century.

History is funny like that. Not ha-ha funny, unfortunately.

[–] Enkrod@feddit.de 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh I am cognizant of the fact that not necessarily skin-color is the fulcrum of real, existing medieval racism (it's rather a different kind of racism/culturalism and it does declare for example jews and muslims to be subhumans (source)) but I'm talking completely RPG-worlds here, with all their baggage and misunderstandings.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That source poses a, uh, very curious look at race in the Medieval period.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Then look at Sir Moriaen, a knight in Arthurian canon.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moriaen

That the social constructs around race change over time and that our modern understanding is different is not the same thing as our ancestors not being something we couldn't call racist.

Sir Moriaen's story is particularly interesting historically because it demonstrates both a clear racist fear response and a clear moral that it is wrong, and Sir Moriaen should instead be judged by his having better, noble blood and being a good Christian, not the color of his skin.

Okay, one might note a whole other topic of discussion there, but the point remains, tribalism and heirarchy are the root of all prejudice, and they weren't invented by Portuguese slave traders.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Okay, one might note a whole other topic of discussion there, but the point remains, tribalism and heirarchy are the root of all prejudice, and they weren’t invented by Portuguese slave traders.

That's kind of what I'm getting at, man. Tribalism and hierarchy are related to racism, but calling all prejudices racism makes the term so broad as to be borderline useless. Racism, as we would recognize it, dates to the early modern period.

[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Racist? Space Marines aren’t racist. We love all races. As long as they don’t have green skin. Or you know, belong to a different religion. I don’t know why anyone would call us racist. We don’t hate any races.

Except Orks.

And Eldar.

And Dark Eldar.

And Necrons.

And T’au. Because nobody likes dumbass weeaboo space communists.

But at least they don’t try to eat us like the Tyranids.

[–] Qwazpoi@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Or abhumans

[–] YungOnions@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Interesting article from Polygon on fascism in the 40k universe here: https://www.polygon.com/23414657/warhammer-40k-anti-fascism-space-marines-capitalism-leagues-of-votann-hate

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's actually a pretty great analysis, even if the writer shies away from outright stating that 40k, like all satires that go on too long, has become an earnest story instead of a critical comedy, which has certain implications when your property started out as being anti-fascist.

[–] YungOnions@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago

Yeah, I thought it was a good read. Glad you enjoyed it.

[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Accurate