There are ways to get attention for a cause without defacing one of the seven wonders of the world. Next time spray that cornstarch in BP’s corporate parking lot.

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 119 points 4 months ago (4 children)

The fact that you missed the Stonehenge under water worries me.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 42 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

I saw it. That implies that spraying cornstarch won’t change anything. Think about it.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 68 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (11 children)

THEN WHAT FUCKING WILL CHANGE ANYTHING

Because this is the only thing that gets people like you to even talk about this.

edit: I want to be clear that I don't care if it's rude or uncivil to talk to people about this like this, I will do it again and again and again and I support efforts to be annoying about it, because at this point it's all we have left to maybe, potentially, get enough people angry enough that someone, somewhere does something. Anything

You're all making your frowny faces and saying "This is counter-productive" and you're simply not getting it.

If through some magical means we were to learn that nuking Manhattan would somehow lower global temperatures, then we would need to do that, just up and vaporize 1.6 million people. It would STILL be the ethically superior action to take if it magically worked. Because in the next century billions of people may die.

If we learned that filling the Grand Canyon with concrete would get companies to stop producing carbon waste and get people to accept inconveniences like electric cars and paper straws without whinging like a wounded toddler, then yes, line up those cement mixers.

When it comes to the trolly problem, you're all not even looking at the right tracks if you're so upset about incivility or annoyances when it comes to climate activism. If anyone is left to do it, one day they will erect statues of these kids throwing soup at paintings and coloring rocks.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

You need to learn to become compelling if you want to be heard. Annoying people will get you ignored, and likely discredited.

Also, you know nothing about me.

https://lemmy.world/comment/10754742

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 40 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Not clicking, not looking, this isn't even about you, this is bigger than you. Every individual needs to get a lot better about getting their head out of their own ass.

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[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 30 points 4 months ago

I dunno, I'm hearing the person quite well. Probably because tone policing ain't my thing.

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[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 40 points 4 months ago (11 children)

Oh your a spineless defeatists! Anyways...

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

That’s the implication of the meme.

I think there are better ways to bring attention to the concerns of climate change than defacing Stonehenge.

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[–] Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone 81 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Like the 3 private jets that were vandalized with orange paint in London. That's the kind of thing I can support, it makes headlines, it grounds the planes reducing emissions, and it specifically targets those who are causing the most harm.

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 80 points 4 months ago (4 children)

It hasn't made headlines though. Juststopoil goes after oil terminals, car manufacturers etc pretty often but it's never reported on. The only protest that gets attention is souping painting or spraying cornflour on rocks.

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[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 50 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Like the 3 private jets that were vandalized with orange paint in London.

I didn't hear about that.

I am hearing about this.

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[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 70 points 4 months ago (28 children)

So the meme is in agreement that defacing Stonehenge as a protest was pointless?

It was as pointless as everything else, that's why they did it, it's screaming into the void to get attention.

There are ways to get attention for a cause without defacing one of the seven wonders of the world

Are there though? I'm old enough to remember this has gone on for decades without anyone doing anything of significance and now we're at the actual edge of global catastrophe and STILL people are like "hmn, those kids should be recycling." Bruh, you and so many people have no idea how many lives are going to be lost in the next century while every milquetoast liberal and conservative in the developed world roll their eyes and get pissed at slight annoyances like... checks notes colored corn starch on rocks you will never visit.

It's like trying to shake someone in a dream to get them to pay attention. And the more you scream and hit them, the more they look ahead like zombies.

They HAVE sprayed BP's factories and lots and machines, they have sabotaged equipment and chained themselves to machines and have caused material harm to companies like BP, but that doesn't get any fucking coverage because media doesn't want to encourage "violent activism" for fear of turning away viewers like YOU who are annoyed by such things.

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[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 47 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (12 children)

So the meme is in agreement that defacing Stonehenge as a protest was pointless?

The meme is saying you're getting angry about the wrong thing.

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[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 39 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Quite literally the opposite, no one will remember that Stonehenge was defaced with cornflour, but we will see and remember climate change.

That's just a meme about the fake outrage used as a diversion, instead of the real issue and why people resort to defacing art and monuments for their cause to be in focus.

Any publicity is good publicity.

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[–] Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 39 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Now, I am not the biggest fan of those kinds of actions, because they are indeed exploited heavily by the burgeois press, but let's talk about attention. I remember there being at least two paint defacings and damaging of private jets here in Germany in 2023 by similar groups. There was next to no press about it - and if you search for it today, it is genuinely hard to find the articles that even mention them, one I found even focusing on the legal questions of insurance, instead of writing about the broader issues at all:

https://www.t-online.de/region/hamburg/id_100188204/letzte-generation-farbattacke-auf-sylter-privatjet-so-hoch-ist-der-schaden.html https://www.aerotelegraph.com/wer-zahlt-bei-einem-farbanschlag-auf-ein-privatflugzeug

So, you would be surprised - actions that target more "deserving" targets often just.... aren't talked about at all, or very little, small footnotes. This at least starts debates, which cannot be denied.

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[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago

It's not at all one of the seven wonders of the world, is not even the coolest henge in England and like maybe 5 top five in Europe. It's just famous because it was restored well within your parents lifetime for most of us.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 27 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Or its a representation of what the future looks like if we keep fighting the people who fight for all of us.

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[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think the punchline goes multiple ways at once: "the protesters were stupid thinking this would help", "the protesters were stupid in how they tried to protest", and "everyone back then was stupid because it's Waterworld now."

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[–] ChillPenguin@lemmy.world 67 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Won't you just think of the shareholders? /s

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 18 points 4 months ago

Y'all are protesting the death of humanity wrong /s

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 42 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

Man, the way this channels a mix of "it is the children who are wrong" and sheer impotence is hitting me hard. I mean, it really explains so much about modern activism.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

I attended my first protest thirty years ago. Modern activists need to be more clever. Learn the law so you know how to circumvent it. Turning things up to 11 just gets you discredited as “radicals” in the media. It’s a fruitless attempt at awareness that will just get you charged.

[–] Cobrachicken@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago (5 children)

How old were you back then? These kids awake to a world fucked up by the older generation. They try to take every step that comes to their mind to steer away from desaster. What is your personal input in that task? Criticism. Well done. Go out and teach them, if you're so clever.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I do. When I attend a protest, I share my knowledge and experience. First rule is keep it safe. Second is keep it legal. Third is keep it together. Fourth is keep it heard.

The key to a successful protest is knowing the law and planning around it before organizing.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Turning things up to 11 just gets you discredited as “radicals” in the media.

Radicals need to exist in order to make the less-radical activists look reasonable by comparison. Otherwise they just get painted as radical no matter how milquetoast their protest is, and the Overton window moves away from their cause.

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[–] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago (1 children)

For reference, Stonehenge is currently about 100 metres above what the UK considers to be mean sea level.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 20 points 4 months ago

But I thought the point of comics was to be scientifically accurate!

[–] Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

made climate activists look stupid for decades to come over some nonsensical and ineffective attention grab

didn't stop climate change

Yeah, seems about right.

They had the right idea when they spray painted those private jets. IDK what they were thinking with the Stonehenge stunt.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 26 points 4 months ago (14 children)

ineffective attention grab

Seemed to grab your attention.

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[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 4 months ago

IDK what they were thinking with the Stonehenge stunt.

I wouldn't put it past Big Oil to infiltrate climate activist groups to make them appear unlikable. Same with throwing paint on a painting.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 4 months ago (2 children)

There's no stopping climate change in capitalism.

And nothing was done in the way of ending capitalism. Asking "pretty please stop using oil we will paint things" to a capitalist government is ridiculous. The only way to end emissions is being us the ones who control the industry.

So, from my point of view was a useless, possibly counter productive, action.

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