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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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Randy Balko

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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ORGANIZATIONS

Black Lives Matter

Campaign Zero

Innocence Project

The Marshall Project

Movement Law Lab

NAACP

National Police Accountability Project

Say Their Names

Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration

 

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[–] Tronn4@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Thin blue line outside the school

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Apparently guns don't fix the fact that you're basically a fucking coward.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

How many of those cops are still employed, I wonder...

How many of them are being paid to police schools.

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 19 points 5 months ago (2 children)
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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 16 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Okay setting aside whether there should be guns in schools, this argument doesn't make sense. There were, in fact, good guys with guns on the scene. The police prevented them from intervening.

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[–] Beaver@lemmy.ca 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Defund the police and regulate guns

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[–] cordlesslamp@lemmy.today 13 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I'm not a native English speaker, but should it be called "anniversary"? I thought it's only for something to be celebrate?

[–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 16 points 5 months ago

It can be, but anniversary just means the date an event took place.

So an anniversary could be for the day a couple met, or it could be for the day of a loved one’s passing. Either works.

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

We have no other word for a date remembered yearly.

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[–] Swarfega@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago (6 children)

How does every other country tackle this problem 🤔

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I see other people posting about mental health. NZ doesn't have a mass shooting problem. We do have a mental health crisis. What we don't have is guns. Americans always try to make this complicated. It really isn't.

Thing is, there will always be unhinged people. Or people who are very upset or desperate or confused. And generally, we can tell whether any individual person is like that. What you can do is not allow everyone access to machines designed to kill people

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