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[–] Muffi@programming.dev 308 points 4 months ago (17 children)

The difference in results between Scandinavia and the rest of the EU is very interesting. A well-working educational system is clearly the best weapon against fascism.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 144 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Also, a well working social system with low corruption. But it's a bit chicken and the egg sort of situation.

[–] 0xD@infosec.pub 58 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

It's really not that simple. Look at Austria, for example. It's also a lot about culture and society itself and how it developed. We are exporting nazis ffs. Shit that gets people thrown out of parties in Germany (like Krah) is just another Tuesday in Austria. And we have a great educational system. Of course with ways to improve.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 54 points 4 months ago

Austrian Nazis? now I've heard everything!

[–] Zabjam@lemm.ee 22 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Krah wasn't kicked out, they just didn't want him to show up to events because of looks. Now that the election is over watch them fully embrace that treasonous, SS glorifying nazi back as their top candidate. Also I bet it will not take longer than two weeks until LePenne forgets that the AfD is more and more admiting to be fascist and welcomes them back to ID

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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 31 points 4 months ago

It really depends, there's plenty of ways to politicize an educational system and call it well-working. I think a more crucial distinction would be to teach people to be able to discern good sources from shit sources and how they can be manipulated without realizing it, and having taught across several semesters, if a good education system is simply not viable (i.e. poorer EU countries).

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[–] Fades@lemmy.world 167 points 4 months ago (21 children)

So goddamn sick of fascist populists. Fuck humanity, so fucking stupid it can’t help but shit the bed and fuck everyone else right along with em

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 45 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (22 children)

Fascism doesn't just come and go because people wax and wane in collective stupidity, it's a very specific set of conditions including Class Colaborationism, rising nationalism, and declining material conditions causing people to long for "the good old days" and "take care of our own, the immigrants are stealing from us so we can't." The Class Colaborationism bit is important, because it explains why Social Democracies are especially vulnerable to fascism, as Social Democracy is also based on Class Colaborationism, just not based on nationalism and violent suppression.

People don't randomly become fascist out of nowhere, it's a failure to move forward and improve conditions that is being taken advantage of by bad actors to solidify power.

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[–] Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 43 points 4 months ago

Your post describes exactly the state I'm in. Fuck all these greedy fucks, fuck the dumb shits that vote them, fuck the conservatives enabling these Nazi fucks.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago (12 children)

So goddamn sick of fascist populists

They're the only ones allowed to do any populism. Ratchet keeps tightening, because centrists refuse to do anything nice for people and leftists who obtain the power to do so get labeled "tankie" and run out of office.

So of course, the only people allowed to say anything with a baseline public appeal are going to win a fucking popularity contest

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[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 149 points 4 months ago (3 children)

guess people want to live in shit

[–] Senseless@feddit.de 63 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't. Let them live in shit but leave me out of it.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago

Welcome to democracy.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No, people want the people they dont like to live in shit. And dont care if that means they have to live in shit too.

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[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 124 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I was a pessimist, therefore the results have actually come out pretty good to me. Far right didn't win Belgium, and Left party gained a lot of seats in Finland while right wing parties lost seats. Yeah Germany (eyes them suspiciously) and France turned out very right, but a lot of the other countries stayed about ideologically the same or gained left leaning seats.

Overall it seems it's balanced enough to keep going with the corporate accountability / public convenience stuff we've been seeing here in the EU, especially related to tech.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago (7 children)

i don't remember a time France wasn't reactionary (in my lifetime obviously). they were in the islamophobia business way before it was cool everywhere else.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 71 points 4 months ago (7 children)

It's sad, but predictable. Here's to hoping for strong antifascist resistance on the ground as the EU itself teeters down the fascist pipeline.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Antifa will do absolutely nothing. Either these countries start taxing the rich and providing basic needs for their population or the right will rise.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 65 points 4 months ago (3 children)
[–] Piatro@programming.dev 151 points 4 months ago (13 children)

Far right parties gaining significant popularity especially in France and Germany. It's not great for the neo-liberal centre who created and perpetuated the economic downturn we're all in and indicates a failure of the left to present a coherent alternative. There's a lot to unpack about it. France has already dissolved their parliament and triggered an election because of these results.

[–] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 53 points 4 months ago (20 children)

Netherlands also going great. At least the xenophobes hate Europe so much they don't bother showing up for European elections to simply say they want less foreigners.

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[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 69 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I don't know yet but I saw "Polexit" on the Polish ballot and didn't know if I should laugh or fucking cry

[–] verstra@programming.dev 88 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Oh it would not be Polexit. There are way better names available than that. Polout, for example.

[–] pancakes@sh.itjust.works 57 points 4 months ago

Poles out for Harambe

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)
[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 41 points 4 months ago (2 children)
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[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 69 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Love how people look at GB, see their much bigger economy, see the results of Brexit and be like: Bro, I think we would do better.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 50 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Can someone translate this meme into FreedomBurger™ units?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 135 points 4 months ago (13 children)

EU is having a moment because their Trumper types gained a lot of seats. They can't pretend it's just an American problem anymore.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 39 points 4 months ago

Thanks for dumbing it down for us colonials.

[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm actually hopeful that America had a brush with death and may shy away from that noise this time. We've got about 30% of the population still holding that loaded gun to our heads, but I think the rest of us understand what happens if we let them pull the trigger. Time will tell.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

I hope the rest of us understand that Treason Flag Alito and Corrupt Clarence are on a team considering whether or not to hand the president a Long Knife.

[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 23 points 4 months ago

We never did

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[–] TylerDurdenJunior@lemmy.ml 43 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We didn't get to see the rest of Europe in "children of men", but I am guessing that is what's coming

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[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Hey, Finland got pretty good results.

[–] Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 24 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Denmark as well, I guess I know which direction I am fleeing towards, when fascism resurges here in Germany.

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[–] joestr@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (3 children)

In Austria seeing FPÖ winning is like a slap into the face.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 19 points 4 months ago (14 children)

more like when we still believe a burgeois state will put good politicians in power.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's "win stupid prizes," still, right?

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