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[–] EnderWi99in@kbin.social 46 points 1 year ago (38 children)

What is with the China apologists in this thread? Wtf??

[–] SpooneyOdin@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I see it all over Lemmy unfortunately. I think it is because Lemmy is still relatively fringe and it is where lots of pro communism communities emerged. Normally, I find it actually pretty refreshing to see more left wing stuff but the pro China (or at least the kneejerk reactions to anything anti China) to be exhausting.

To be fair, I used to see a lot of it on Reddit as well. I think they are just a bigger proportion percentage wise on Lemmy so you see much more of it.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's a bit of a mixed bag. There are a lot of pro-China comments that are just... Well they either drank the kool-aid or are dishing it out. Especially when it comes to social policies.

On the other hand, China has been making significant technological accomplishments that you just don't hear about in Western media. They've made a lot of advancements in spaceflight and manufacturing processes that humanity as a whole could benefit from if we were more cooperative. And that's not even mentioning Nuclear Power.

China is WAY ahead of the rest of the world when it comes to new nuclear power. They're the only ones with Gen 4 reactors, the only ones working on Thorium reactors, and are on track to build over 100 new nuclear plants over the next few years. China is to nuclear power as the US is to weapons; sure other countries might be tinkering with some stuff, but there's really no comparison when they're doing more than the rest of the world combined.

I wish there were more unbiased sources. Unfortunately, there's usually only one of two sides. Either you get news from China which usually boils down to "We're amazing and nothing we do is ever bad or wrong. Anyone saying otherwise is just lying because they're jealous/afraid of our wild success!" Or you get news from the US/West that's basically "China is a totalitarian poo-country that's on the verge of collapse. They contribute nothing to global advancement and the only thing they're good for is making cheap, poor quality, crap."

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[–] EchoCT@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd take the study a lot more seriously if the people financing it weren't literally tied to the US/UK governments...

[–] yeather@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (9 children)

We'd all take China a lot more seriously if it wasn't literally interring people in reeducation camps and ruling over people's lives like it's 1984.

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[–] psilocybin@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This, my friend, is the absense of neocon/neolib censorship and propaganda that you were so used to on corporate social media.

Isn't it great?

[–] socsa@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Strange, I never had any trouble on Reddit talking about socialism.

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[–] fishtacos@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I found this to be a decent enough primer: https://medium.com/@bobbyarlan/a-case-study-in-racist-anti-chinese-sentiment-fuelled-by-american-bots-and-western-propaganda-f0a69978d568

A decent TLDR: The article argues that anti-Chinese propaganda spread by the U.S. and Western media is fueling racist sentiment. Claims of mass detention of Uyghurs are based on flawed studies and sources like Adrian Zenz, a far-right Christian fundamentalist. Atrocity propaganda is a common tactic used by the U.S. to justify wars. The U.S. is threatened by China's economic rise and technological progress, so it is trying to portray China negatively and prepare public opinion for a potential conflict. However, most of the world sees China positively and as an economic opportunity, making a new Cold War against China unlikely to succeed

In short, a lot of information about China that has come out of Western news media has been proven to be based on known biased sources, known anit-China rhetoric, and/or outright lies. It's difficult to prove/disprove of any information specifically, that takes time and reporting, but a lot of people see the anti-China pattern in BBC reporting, and tend to dismiss it because of known history.

[–] MacroCyclo@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (19 children)

I think this flies a bit too far in the other direction. China is totalitarian. It is not a democracy. It is also increasingly antagonizing nations abroad. I think it is valid to consider it a threat if you are any other nation, period.

Edit: Kinda like Russia

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[–] GameGod@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Or you know, you could just listen to someone who was in an internment camp:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/04/muslim-minority-teacher-50-tells-of-forced-sterilisation-in-xinjiang-china

(Also your summary sounds like ChatGPT)

[–] Fazoo@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Or the fact we literally have drone and camera footage of mass arrests. I'm not one to view Vice these days, but one of their reporters went there and saw some rather suggestive situations as well.

After Trump was so nice (dumb) enough to showcase just how clear US satellite photos are these days, one has to question why some here are so quick to cry in China's defense. Especially after the very public take over of Hong Kong, you think an ethnic cleanse is out of the question?

I'm sure some pro-Chinese twit will come rushing in with some whataboutism or a crack on US history, as if that excuses things.

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[–] psilocybin@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Also your summary sounds like ChatGPT

Nah they have a typo ("anit-China") in their summary I think they're fine.

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Our you could just listen to someone from Kuwait who saw Iraqi invaders remove babies from incubators:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

Oh wait, they made that shit up as a pretext for furthering US foreign interests.

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[–] mim@lemmy.sdf.org 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the tankies from lemmygrad denying or trying to justify this one as well. 🍿

[–] yata@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

*Tankies from lemmygrad and lemmy.ml.

[–] mim@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago

That's true.

However, I feel like the ones from lemmygrad are slightly more unhinged.

[–] abraxas@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Is there a way to jump instances and bring all your content/moderation with you? I really didn't sign up for tankie voat, but I have growing communities in this instance.

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[–] Amir@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I gotta say it is quite entertaining.

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[–] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How would that work if they have a toxic family and decided to kill 2 birds with one stone?

I mean if the CCP threatened my family while I'm abroad, I'd just go: "Lol go ahead, idgaf. They're toxic anyways. Thanks for getting rid of them for me." 😎

But too bad my toxic family is already here and I had to endure their abuse. 😥

[–] bane_killgrind@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

That does assume that person's with a toxic FOO have been able to emotionally distance themselves from them.

That's a tall order.

[–] SpooneyOdin@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I mean I have some pretty toxic family members as well, but at least a few of them are decent or innocent people. Pretty much everyone is going to have at least one family member that they care about even if most are shit heads.

[–] iknt@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sample size: 58 people

18 in the U.K., 28 in Turkey, and 12 in Thailand.

The authors wish to extend their gratitude to the individuals and organisations who supported this research by providing concrete feedback for revisions on the report, offering suggestions and advice at the planning stages, and offering ongoing collaborative and moral support while conducting this research: Elise Anderson, Campaign for Uyghurs, Freedom House, Tim Grose, Ondřej Klimeš, Julie Millsap, David O’Brien, the Rights Practice, Radio Free Asia, Isabella Rodriguez, David Stroup, Hannah Theaker, Emily Upson, the Uyghur Human Rights Project, the Uyghur Transitional Justice Database, the World Uyghur Congress, the Xinjiang Documentation Project, the Xinjiang Victims’ Database, and Adrian Zenz.

Author

Yes, very trustable! /s

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[–] eyy@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ah, the north korean playbook

[–] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Of having hysterical bullshit invented about them? True enough. Quick, does every man in North Korea need to have Kim's haircut or is no one allowed to have it?

[–] SpooneyOdin@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is pretty crazy if true. I wonder if it has any connections to the alleged "ghost" CCP police stations that were reported around in Canada. I believe it was being claimed the stations were being used to bully Chinese people that were in Canada.

[–] Freeman@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just saw an investigative piece about the chinese shadowpolice in germany by a reputable reporter-team. I am convinced they exist.

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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Its a very weakly sourced state sponsored media article reporting on their state enemy. You have to be willfully credulous to believe their claims without further proof.

[–] Durotar@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It doesn't mean that reports are false just because two states are enemies (which is an exaggeration).

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It doesn’t mean that reports are false just because two states are enemies (which is an exaggeration).

If they were strongly cited I would not be criticizing people believing them. All sources are biased, the question is how factual a source is.

The BBC is strongly biased against China. If they make claims without proof the most logical course of action is to not assume they are telling the truth and not incorporate what they say into your beliefs. (Note that this is different than "assume they are lying")

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[–] Freeman@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I saw a piece about the shadow police in germany lately. I am sure that the chinese foreign police exists.

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[–] jackpot@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

lmao we have chinese apologists jesus thats so sad

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[–] Awoo@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Source: Trust me bro.

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