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Don’t feel powerless and continue to try (climatejustice.rocks)
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Doomers keep saying we are stuffed. They may be right and definitely will be right if we do nothing.

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[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Major pop psychology generalisations incoming:

I think the OP has the psychological motivation of doomers wrong.

Doomers are just deniers that can no longer maintain the everything is fine reasoning.

The problem is, this does not actually change their position.

Which is "I do not need to change my behaviour".

The old reasoning was "Climate change is not real, therefore, I do not need to change my behaviour"

The new reasoning is "Climate change is real (and unstoppable), therefore, I do not need to change my behaviour as nothing I do will matter."

You will not convince this group to change their behaviour as that is a core belief they are defending, not an outcome.

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

yeah im a doomer and I want to go out with as clear a conscious as possible. I don't have kids, don't fly or drive unless essentially forced. reduce, reuse, recyle. I actually clean mine for all the good it does. From my conversations I feel its the most common type of reaction for doomers. There is a type that says eff it and wants to just enjoy whatever debauchery they can. Go swim with the dolphins or whatever but it from my experience its in the minority. Im huge on enjoying the state of the world as it is because its not getting any better. walks mostly.

[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Little people aren't the ones burning bunker fuel on cargo ships, subsidizing the oil and gas industry, or obstructing the development and deployment of better modes of transportation.

This message of “change your ways” is a distraction from the actual culprits of global warming—a distraction for which those planet-wrecking polluters are no doubt silently thanking you for.

Regulate the rich. Everything else is a distraction and will not save us.

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Regulate the rich. Everything else is a distraction and will not save us.

Simplistic answers don't help.

Who are the rich?

Do you consider yourself one of the rich that need regulating?

To the majority of the world's population every person who lives in a western democracy is one of the rich who need regulating.

I don't own or dive a car and haven't for a decade. Yet my impact (as miniscule as it is) is still 4 or 5 times that of the average person in India. To them, I am part of the problem.

[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Who are the rich?

Start with whoever owns those cargo ships.

Do you consider yourself one of the rich that need regulating?

I do not own any cargo ships.

I did not obstruct the development of electric vehicles.

I did not obstruct the construction of nuclear, solar, and wind power plants.

I did not forbid mixed zoning, which would decrease commute distance and therefore fuel consumption.

I did not outsource any manufacturing overseas.

So no.

To the majority of the world’s population every person who lives in a western democracy is one of the rich who need regulating.

Then they aren't thinking too hard about who does what. Some people, such as tycoons, NIMBYs, and Republican voters, are part of the problem. Others are not. These are individuals, not countries.

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Circling back to what I said about the doomers:

The major part of not having to change their behaviour is Still supporting and voting the people who are ignoring the problems and stopping systematic change

That is why they are a problem I think we are both in agreement on.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Who do you think consumes the goods on those cargo ships? It's us. It's all of us.