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[SOLVED] I'm trying to print a tall, thin cylinder, but these rings start appearing around it towards the top. Does anyone know what could be causing this? (lemmy.ca)
submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by john89@lemmy.ca to c/3dprinting@lemmy.ml
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I've printed similar objects with a different colored PLA, but I ran out of it and switched to this.

Is it possible that this could be influencing the outcome?

I have tried reducing the printing speed by 50%, but this did not seem to have a significant impact.

[SOLUTION] The problem was a loose screw. The offending part as well as the new result are pictured below. It's not perfect, which I guess is actually a part of the model this time, but it's good enough for my purposes and way better than what it was before.

I figured this out by twisting the Z-axis thingy manually all the way to the top to see if I could feel any issues. Towards the top, it would start to 'skip', where I would turn and pretty much nothing would happen. I assume this has to do with the lack of lube at the top because my prints rarely go that high. I checked to see if the screws were loose, and sure enough, the top one was. I tightened it up and now my printer is printing like the beast I remember!

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 months ago

Isn't this kind of a torture case for 3D printing? The higher you go, the more the part itself is an unreliable surface. Even in subtractive manufacturing, any weird sticky-outy bit with an extreme aspect ratio is prone to getting snipped off to become a separate piece.

Print two cylinders half this tall. Or print one piece flat along the board. Or buy a plastic dowel.

[–] Keesrif@beehaw.org 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Check if your print is wobbling when it reaches that height. If it does, you may need to add support to fix that - a few organic support touch points halfway up should help

[–] john89@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Could you give me advice on how to do that? Is it something that I would have to add manually in a 3D modeling program, or is there a way to do it in Cura?

[–] Keesrif@beehaw.org 2 points 5 months ago

I am not too familiar with Cura, but I don't think they have the 'support painting' feature of prusaslicer and the likes that would allow this. In those, you can paint where you'd like your support to touch or use modifier meshes to selectively add regions that should be supported. It's the easiest way I know, though I have heard that Meshmixer also used to be able to do that.. but I've never tried.

[–] Sabre363@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 months ago

In machining/cnc land everything is a spring. I would suggest finding a way to print it with a more rigid setup. Maybe try putting some kind of support around the cylinder part way up.

[–] Chuymatt@beehaw.org 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Z binding, I think. Your Z axis is binding up either due to issues with that area of your screws or overheating of the motors (less likely). Lubrication can help unless there is an issue of the screws being warped.

Edit: what machine are you using?

[–] john89@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for this information. I am using a Creality Ender 3 V2.

[–] Chuymatt@beehaw.org 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

So, this seems counterintuitive, but slightly loosening the part that attaches to the x axis can help as well.

For clarity, you loosen the brass fitting on the x axis that attaches the rod to the x axis.

[–] tkk13909@sopuli.xyz 7 points 5 months ago

It's a cylinder I swear!

[–] rambos@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

Print again same gcode. If the rings are at the same height its Z axis issue, otherwise model is just too tall

[–] DNOS@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hate to tell you but 3d printing Is not the right manufacturing process for the job ... You may have It work out but thers no reason to melt pellet plastic into a somehow precise 1.7 mm diameter wire spool so that you can make a noozle go round for hours.... Just buy a pipe ... No matter what it will be cheaper more precise and sturdier ....

[–] john89@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I've been able to print similar models before with a different PLA and no issue.

[–] DNOS@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The problem is not that you can't print it the problem is that you shouldnt !!!

[–] john89@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What?

[–] DNOS@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

A good design from an engineering prospective doesn't use 3d printing to print a pipe .... It implements already existing pipes and adapt the design ... It's the concept of this type of manufacturing that we are questioning Let's take as an example a standard plastic chair Yah you could 3d print it but they don't, Heck you could buy a solid 1*1m of plastic and machine it out but that's not done either, why? because stamping it in a mold is way cheaper way faster and way easier right ? The point is to find the manufacturing method that solves your problem the cheapest fastest and better way possible so if you want a straight plastic pipe for any reason you should just buy a pipe it's way cheaper than the filament it's water tight without imperfections stronger in any direction and if you want it to be close just print some caps .... 3d printing, taking in count the length of time to produce one item and the relatively high cost of production should be reserved for objects that you can't cheaply fabricate in any other way ...

I'm not saying you should throw away your already printed tube just keep in mind next time that if you need a big square plastic box maybe you should consider buying it instead of waiting 8 days to 3d print it .... (Unfortunately this is not a random example... A friend of mine insisted that I 3d printed a box for him ... )

[–] john89@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago

I solved the issue; it was just a loose screw.

[–] Chuymatt@beehaw.org 1 points 5 months ago

New thought: set the stl up, drop it through the floor of the build plate to only print the stupid area. That narrows it down to wobble or z binding. Z hop could help a bit with wobble.