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Why are prices on LocalMonero much higher than value in the market?

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[–] shortwavesurfer@monero.town 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

2 reasons

  1. More risk to the seller
  2. Centralized exchanges suppress prices on purpose to make people uninterested in monero because its price is quite stable.

I consider the localmonero price the real market price and the exchange price is the KYC discount.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 4 points 1 year ago

I like to think of it as the KYC discount.

[–] newIdentity@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the price is quite stable BECAUSE the exchanges keep it on the same price.

It's stable because it's the only crypto that people actually use as currency.

[–] Gargari@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Okay, now have better picture

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The beautiful thing about open markets, in theory if somebody can provide a more efficient exchange service, they will compete on local monero and drive the prices closer to market.

Classic arbitrage incentives, so if somebody else can convert monero to Roblox bucks very efficiently they could undercut current providers of Roblox bucks. We just need enough market depth to get those participants to compete. And until that happens the high margins are what incentivizes people to provide liquidity in obscure markets.

[–] mister_monster@monero.town 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're not that much more expensive. Have you been to a bitcoin ATM? You'll tell them to go fuck themselves with those kinds of prices.

What you're seeing on localmonero is the true price for p2p. Exchange prices are lower because of the bullshit you have to tolerate to use them, bank accounts, KYC etc. There's a premium on p2p monero because it is better.

[–] LosTim@monero.town 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I was thinking about getting BTC at an ATM then buying XMR. Do that ATMs go through exchanges? I've never used one and was wondering what the privacy implications were...

[–] mister_monster@monero.town 3 points 1 year ago

Basically they scan your ID, there are limits and stuff, KYC tiers, different per company.

[–] Saki@monero.town 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe depending on the countries/ATMs? Is this document no more up-to-date?

https://archive.org/details/how-to-buy-non-kyc-monero

This article uses the method described in How to use Text Verified to buy non-KYC bitcoin at a Bitcoin ATM (Wook 2022) and builds on it by describing how to use the non-KYC bitcoin purchased at the Bitcoin ATM to buy non-KYC monero through Bisq.

[–] LosTim@monero.town 1 points 1 year ago

Oh cool. Thanks

[–] Horixon@monero.town 4 points 1 year ago

Localmonero/Agoradesk trader here.

Every payment method and country have its own market price. For an example central exchanges doesn't accept Paypal, Cashapp, gift cards, Cash at ATM etc. Most of them only accepts bank transfers. So you're comparing apples to oranges.

Even if you compare bank transfer offers you have to keep in your mind; some banks blacklist central exchange's bank details, so you can't make money transfer and/or it has much less strict KYC which is more privacy friendly.

Also you can benefit from OTC advantages like there's someone can help you directly and/or can offer custom solutions for you.

[–] Ridolfo@monero.town 3 points 1 year ago

The market markers are taking huge risks, legally speaking and from scammers everyday (paypal method especially)

[–] FinancedPizza@lemming.quest 3 points 1 year ago

It heavily depends on what payment method you are planning on using. More straightforward ones are usually quite cheap.