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Proton Mail goes AI, security-focused userbase goes ‘what on earth’ (pivot-to-ai.com)

submitted 4 months ago by dgerard@awful.systems to c/techtakes@awful.systems

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we appear to be the first to write up the outrage coherently too. much thanks to the illustrious @self

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[–] dgerard@awful.systems 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

have been that sysadmin setting up a company email server. postfix is trivial to set up, absolutely the easiest experience. following that, though, was weeks of supplicant emails to MS to beg them please not to block us. My recommendation was never do this again, use a third-party outgoing email vendor, email is lost.

[–] Avatar_of_Self@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

MS will send your mail straight to spam if you do not set up your domain keys and DMARC in DNS correctly and do not have a reject or quarantine RUA or the email(s) in your RUA bounce.

Sometimes you may get temporarily sent to spam if your IP is in a /28 of a known spammer IP.

That's about it.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

plus the bit where you wait six weeks for a response to your request that they unblock you

none of this process is fucking simple

[–] Avatar_of_Self@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I've never had to ask MS to unblock me and it sure as hell doesn't take 6 weeks or even 3 days for them to automatically see if everything is right again.

I even set up a non traditional domain with a "non-generic" tld a couple of years ago and I think it was around 16 hours or so before my test emails were hitting outlook inboxes.

Additionally, I think Google still wants SPF setup though it is pretty useless now. And if your RUA was set up right, as I recall, you get an automated email from MS telling you why your mail went to spam (or was rejected), which is the point of it to begin with.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I guess if it worked for you it's perfect! Well done.

[–] Avatar_of_Self@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

As a tip for next time, if you really want to host your email but you don't want to put up with dealing with emails being sent to spam boxes, you can just use an SMTP relay/proxy provider. Your email isn't hosted there but they do send it on and will be the 'source' mail server and is going to be much, much, much cheaper than paying someone to host your email for a bunch of users.

[–] self@awful.systems 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

as a tip for you next time, shut the fuck up when someone with experience tells you you’re giving shit advice

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I go have one rare afternoon nap and the (un)professional services posters come out on stage, smdh

[–] self@awful.systems 5 points 4 months ago

oh there’ll definitely be more

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 6 points 4 months ago

you didn't bother reading the thread first, did you