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Proton Mail goes AI, security-focused userbase goes ‘what on earth’ (pivot-to-ai.com)

submitted 4 months ago by dgerard@awful.systems to c/techtakes@awful.systems

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[–] czech@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Glad I stuck with mailbox.org.

[–] irreticent@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm not familiar with them. What makes them more privacy focused?

[–] czech@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's encrypted and based out of Germany (so, outside of five eyes). The ui is shit but if you use an app for email it's great. They also offer anonymous payment methods if you're into that.

[–] self@awful.systems 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

they’re not end-to-end encrypted; their security model involves giving their server both your GPG private key and its passphrase, which makes your inbox and other data trivially able to be subpoenaed by German authorities.

I don’t think this is a replacement for Proton or Tutanota at all.

[–] irreticent@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

It's encrypted and based out of Germany (so, outside of five eyes).

[...] your inbox and other data trivially able to be subpoenaed by German authorities

Germany is a member of the Fourteen Eyes alliance and shares data with 9 and 5 eyes members.

I just wanted to put that out there after @czech@lemm.ee suggested that the five eyes are the only eyes. They share with Germany and vice versa.