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A message to wavering Democrats (lemmy.sdf.org)

submitted 4 months ago by thagoat@lemmy.sdf.org to c/usa@lemmy.ml

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I know that it's popular to dismiss President Biden. I get it. He's old. This is the first election featuring the 2 oldest candidates, ever. So what? The future of the WORLD is literally dependent on this election. To boot Biden from the ticket and try to bootstrap another candidate is madness. Booting this incumbent and hoping his VP will succeed is like firing the cook and hoping the dishwasher will give you Michelin-quality food. Stick with the old man, and figure out a way to enact his popular policies while also expanding the Supreme Court, enacting term limits and limiting "Christian" Nationalists.

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[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

To bury your head in the sand and continue to claim Biden is the best chance to defeat Trump is madness.

Look, I get it, the DNC has placed us in a terribly frightening position due to their unwillingness to test the president in a real primary so he could show us he’s the best choice to beat Trump, and now in the final hour we are learning that was all smoke and mirrors. Biden is way down in all the polls, and forcing him onto the ticket now means certain defeat.

We still have plenty of time to generate enormous voter enthusiasm for a new ticket, more than Biden could ever garner, and we can use that to catapult the Dems to a big win in November. Have a process where candidates debate and demonstrate how their approaches would differ from where Biden was unpopular. Use a small fraction of the campaign war chest to televise it everywhere, especially online. This should include Kamala, and she needs to prove she can maintain her delegates if she wants the nom. Let’s not make the same mistake twice. Assuming she succeeds here, she is the incumbent VP, so would maintain that theoretical advantage, but we get the tailwind of a fresh ticket with a new VP who can totally change the narrative. This is the Dems’ chance to get back in the saddle and provide a new alternative people are willing to vote for - it should be celebrated!

[–] heavyboots@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

He's running the freaking country right now and has been for the last 3 and a half years. The "he's old" crowd don't seem to get that he's old and effective?

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago

Mental decline at advanced age can have a very sudden and dramatic impact. What matters for this election isn’t the past 3.5 years, it’s the next 5 months and following 4 years.

Biden’s effectiveness and policies are debatable in quality, but clearly he is not in the driver’s seat at this juncture. His staff, all unelected officials, are. If you’ve been happy with their performance, then you’re in luck, because the makeup of the administration is unlikely to change significantly with a new presidential ticket, especially if it’s Kamala.

[–] amberSuperMario@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago

He sure is effective at killing brown people at least! Good at disabling as many people as possible with COVID too. He's quite effective at opposing the rights of trans people as well. Oh, and he's the best at deportation, can't forget that!

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca -4 points 4 months ago

To bury your head in the sand and continue to claim Biden is the best chance to defeat Trump is

...math.

Go see what happened in 68 when they swapped out the incumbent. In fact, it's been an abject failure every time. Landslide loss. Just talking about it is increasing the voter apathy and ensuring his loss.

The chance of winning with Biden is slim as it requires a lot of faith in Harris whom we really don't know. The trends show switching him out is a guaranteed failure, though.

Still a binary choice.