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[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Why "trying to decide"? One may have some kind of subscription etc. Also finding one quickly, like with taxi and food delivery services, is a demand to be filled. Markets and such.

So you want every person to have to pay for a fire subscription? And if they don't have one their house burns down or they get extorted?

You'll pay less, that's for sure, ask anyone who've worked with state services and big organizations. At their job, I mean. I have.

You certainly may have interacted with government during your career, but hearing this is all I needed to hear. There's nothing objectively different between Government and Private products, sure the private product may be cheaper sometimes, but there's also plenty of ways the private service could be more expensive, that's why every business, including the one I used to run, has conversations about cost vs. benefit of private vs. public for certain services.

It seems you haven't read the paragraph about separation. Which is one (1) paragraph, not several. Also no, it doesn't show anything, because you haven't read it and can't make such claims.

I have read it, I just didn't mention it because not only was it irrelevant, it was also wildly incorrect, government services can compete with eachother, and private companies can have a monopoly even without government intervention.

[–] FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

There's a fundamental difference between most private entities and public entities: the profit motive, which is the reason why private companies' interests are misaligned with the interests of the people they're meant to serve in a lot of cases.

The search for profit is the source of a lot of waste of resources that would be better used providing actual services (eg. Marketing for a fire station makes zero sense).

Of course, this applies to entities that provide services and not those that build your phones.

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There's a fundamental difference between most private entities and public entities

But not the products they make, a government made screwdriver and a private made screwdriver are gonna be basically the exact same, the only difference being price and the market forces that the producer is impacted by.

Which is what my comment was about.

[–] FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The thread was about services (like fire stations, police stations and the likes), so I think it's relevant to mention that markets are very often ill-suited to provide the best services you can get (and they're often more expensive than public options, too).

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Yeah I kind of touched on that in this part,

Well other than now having to pay for double the amount of infrastructure, you now also probably have people who own and profit off the stations, which introduces every normal market pressure, positive and corrupting.

But you're right, maybe I should've hammered harder specifically on market forces, but Ancaps treat the market as their god so I was trying to avoid it.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago

So you want every person to have to pay for a fire subscription? And if they don’t have one their house burns down or they get extorted?

That's what you have now, only it's provided by the state. Well, if you don't have one, you are either an illegal alien or have it free or prosecuted for not paying taxes.

There’s nothing objectively different between Government and Private products, sure the private product may be cheaper sometimes, but there’s also plenty of ways the private service could be more expensive, that’s why every business, including the one I used to run, has conversations about cost vs. benefit of private vs. public for certain services.

I agree, it's mostly about size and organization, not about ownership.

because not only was it irrelevant, it was also wildly incorrect, government services can compete with eachother, and private companies can have a monopoly even without government intervention.

Well, I'm looking at it and I see it as relevant. Yes, they can, but it's not necessary for them to be part of the same structure. Yes, they can, but they may be organizations like Mozilla with the supposed goal of delivering the service, not profit. So just like with state services, but separated where no monolithic organization is really required. Also I haven't said what you are arguing with, so it can't be wildly incorrect if I haven't said it, obviously.