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[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A group near me completely failed after their town was overrun by bears because the abolished the trash/recycling rules and the animal control department.

Well, incompetence sucks.

Literally every single leftie has a larger history of putting their ideology into practice, seen or heard of a welfare state? Democratic Socialists and Social Democrats probably built it. Every nation on earth has a Dem Soc or Soc Dem major party.

Of course it's larger, ancap is from 1960s.

So non-ancap nations influenced by ancap count?

Hell even the other anarchists have spent the past century building communes literally everywhere, and they’re the second most ineffective political group after Ancaps.

Because ancaps exist for less than a century.

I guess you won't call cryptocurrencies a success of ancap ideology.

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Of course it's larger, ancap is from 1960s.

If you only read Rothbard and his ilk, it did. But just like Marxism had thousands of years of proto-projects and inspiration, the thought behind Ancap has been around in practice for centuries.

So non-ancap nations influenced by ancap count?

The only countries to be ideologically pure in anything have been hellscapes, so I'd say being inspired is probably the best example you can get.

I guess you won't call cryptocurrencies a success of ancap ideology.

You literally had to recreate centralized exchanges for crypto to succeed, and through that, you rebuilt everything that's wrong with traditional currency but transferred the control from democracies to private citizens.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

If you only read Rothbard and his ilk, it did. But just like Marxism had thousands of years of proto-projects and inspiration, the thought behind Ancap has been around in practice for centuries.

Not that much. Maybe Catholic distributivism and, eh, early USA.

The only countries to be ideologically pure in anything have been hellscapes, so I’d say being inspired is probably the best example you can get.

OK, then it's hard for me to draw a border between something being ancap-inspired and generally right-liberal. Ancap is extreme voluntarism. The name is wrong, it's not about capitalism, but capitalism results from it.

You literally had to recreate centralized exchanges for crypto to succeed, and through that, you rebuilt everything that’s wrong with traditional currency but transferred the control from democracies to private citizens.

I didn't mean that as an achievement of ancap, it's an utter (mostly technical, but still) failure. Just that it's clearly influenced by that ideology.

Maybe cypherpunks (partially).