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The Democratic Socialists of America pulled its endorsement of Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York this week, accusing the progressive congresswoman of being insufficiently supportive of the Palestinian cause and efforts to end the war in Gaza..

Her approach has increasingly strained her relationship with some of the left’s most strident critics of Israel. When she rallied last month in the Bronx with Senator Bernie Sanders and Representative Jamaal Bowman, dozens of pro-Palestinian demonstrators angry over her endorsement of Mr. Biden chanted “You’re a fraud, A.O.C.”

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

My view changed because the information available to me changed. I called heads and it was tails. I fucked up. Y

Its so much more than that. Its that you had a wildly wrong opinion, an opinion that functionally hurt our ability to stop Trump. You had all the information you needed to make the right assessment, but your entire goal with your rhetoric was to shut down any kind of conversation that would allow for that right assessment to be made. It was fucking disgusting and it still is.

If your views only make sense looking backwards, your views don’t make sense.

What it means, is that if your views only predict previous states of the universe but don't generalize to new states of the universe, we should ignore you.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Its so much more than that. Its that you had a wildly wrong opinion, an opinion that functionally hurt our ability to stop Trump. You had all the information you needed to make the right assessment,

"Wow, I think that maybe the actual data might be correct, and that the 'Biden Senile!' line that's been repeated for the past 4 years and not shown itself to be anything but typical GOP barking probably isn't correct; clearly the fact that I made the wrong decision in that light means I should throw away the idea that stopping fascism is bad, and embrace hope that if enough of America licks boots for long enough, they'll get tired of the taste and spontaneously spawn socialist movements across the country!"

What it means, is that if your views only predict previous states of the universe but don’t generalize to new states of the universe, we should ignore you.

And how the fuck are you supposed to determine that BEFORE new states of the universe come about? Do you... do you think prophecy is real or something? Like, this is materialism 101, I shouldn't have to explain this to anyone not trying to cast spells to cure their ailing grandmother - adjusting one's views in the face of new information is how solid theory is formed; that IS how theories advance to the point of being able to predict future events, it doesn't just come fucking birthed into a wunderkind's mind by the blessed seed of knowledge of the universe.