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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's what makes it especially insidious. We want entertainment made by people, for people, not by AIs for corporations and their pockets.

[–] kmkz_ninja@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm fine with AI content. It's going to make making media so much easier for people who aren't inherently artistic but have a vision they want to show.

[–] loom_in_essence@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

There are already teams of humans ready to do all that stuff. AI adds nothing there. The non-artistic person with a vision can already collaborate with skilled artists.

But more importantly, we are not worried about artists using AI as a tool. We are worried about corporate goons using AI to fire all creative staff and generate manipulative trash.

[–] kale@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

The first company that debuts an entirely AI film will be a game changer, since it's training set will be all the greats/popular films from Godfather, Taxi Driver, Jurassic Park, Star Wars, Inglorious Bastards, and Parasite.

Then everyone will want to get in on the game and we'll see a huge number of AI films. To be noticable and unique, a certain amount of hallucinating will be allowed. After a couple more years, you'll see model collapse as the film AIs are now using other AI output as their training input.

AI systems need a steady "diet" of human created material to continue to create material that is relevant and interesting to humans.

Robert Evans has a great episode on "behind the bastards" about AI and children's books. The majority of Kindle published children's books and coloring books are AI generated. There are Kindle books on how to make hundreds of AI children's books a month using AI tools, including how to write the prompt for the AI input.

[–] kmkz_ninja@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Okay so instead of me just working on a fun product for free in my own time, I have to pay someone a fair wage as if this is a commercial product I'm producing?

There's several people in this thread arguing we should outright ban the use, instead of coming up with ways to protect artists without artificially limiting AI.

[–] loom_in_essence@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I have to pay someone a fair wage as if this is a commercial product I'm producing?

There's several people in this thread arguing we should outright ban the use,

I didn't see anyone ITT making that argument, and anyway this whole debate is specifically and explicitly about hollywood goons using AI to churn out trash without paying the talent. It's not about some broke artist using AI to bring his vision to life. As I already said. It's beyond straw man to treat that as the position that's being criticized

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Stop being lazy and learn how to make your own shit. You aren't entitled to other people's skills.

[–] kmkz_ninja@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He says on a computer instead of hiring a postal worker to deliver his message.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

In my own words instead of having ChatGPT do your thinking for you, the way you do

[–] Aux@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago

I would prefer AI content.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, we need human writers! I don't think AI can turn great books into shitty movies as well as actual writers. AI scripts sound like a real gain, IMO.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Questions for everybody else:

  1. Who actually thinks like this?

  2. Why are big Lemmy instances allowing obvious shills to concern troll and forum slide on their servers?

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Well, for one, I think like this. And given the upvote, at least one other person does as well. And six others disagree. Which is fine with me, by the way, people can disagree and be civilized about it.

As for "obvious shills and trolls" - just because I like the technology and dislike current writers, I'm a troll? With thinking like this you should perhaps go live in a totalitarian state, cause that's how they roll - "you're either with us or you're bad".

Can you pretty please let me have my opinion?

[–] loom_in_essence@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why do you expect AI to write better scripts than "current writers"? Do you believe than humans are incapable of good writing, and we need AI to finally make the first good art to ever exist?

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not first good art, no, there are many great movies. It's usually when people who are famous enough to do whatever are the directors (Tarantino, Nolan). But the usual crap? All the unimaginative movies and TV shows? Botching good books by not understanding the source material at all? That's most of the writers and that's who I think should be replaced by AI. We were doing a presentation on capabilities of AI recently and one sentence my colleague came up with sums it up: AI is not some super smart thing, it's like millions of average people who can think really fast.

[–] loom_in_essence@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Again, why would you expect AI to write better stories than humans?

If hollywood churns out trash it's because producers want trash. The AI will just help them churn out trash cheaper.

So how will AI fix this?

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, for one, I think like this.

Then I have no reason to take you seriously. Goodbye.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world -1 points 1 year ago

Stop acting like a spoiled kid, please.