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[–] SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

First of all, take your disrespectful and insulting little soundbites and shove them up your ass.

Follow your own advice

This response is a courtesy, and I’m going to focus solely on your policy suggestions. Further smarminess and disrespect are going to be left unanswered.

I literally don't care.

We already have a robust framework. See for example bill C51 of 2015. There is no evidence that people are being radicalized by imported preachers. In fact we have been exporters of Christian fundies and other crazies to the US for a while.

The bill you cited doesn't ban foreign funding to religious institutions within the country. I didn't say anything about foreign preachers, I specifically said foreign funding to religious institutions within the country... which is what you quoted. These are two different things.

This is already explicitly the case, even for permanent residents.

Doesn't mean anything if it's not enforced. Case in point:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-most-immigrants-with-deportation-letters-are-still-in-canada-cbsa/

We don’t do assimilation in this country, this is Canada. Our multiculturalism is constitutionally a key national value and a distinguishing element of our national identity. Multiculturalism is who we are.

Cringe. Also, assimilation and multiculturalism don't contradict each other. In fact you can't have multiculturalism without a degree of assimilation. A country that exists as nothing more than collection of ethnic and cultural enclaves that don't even bother to uphold a common identity, is not a country. You need an overarching culture and identity that all these groups assimilate to have a sense of social cohesion.

So yea, increasing funding for programs for immigrants, sure, I’m with you there.

At least we agree on something.

In this country, multiculturalism is literally in our definition of what it means to be free. No party will touch this.

Multiculturalism is just the idea that a bunch of cultures can coexist together in the same country. Both the melting pot and the mosaic are different implementations of multiculturalism. The only difference is that the melting pot as a concept encourages different cultures to interact and mix to create something more unified while the mosaic encourages cultural segregation and isolation. One is clearly better than the other.

You can’t have a public policy that is about “publicly circulated cases”. The law is the law. And the duties of police to protect fall squarely within their existing legal framework.

That's fair, the police should always stand in support of the victims until the due process is carried out and the justice system does it's thing regardless of how public the case is. The criminals and the victims should not receive similar treatment from cops, as I have very extensively explained and evidenced with the Rotherham case in the UK which you have conveniently ignored because you can't come up with a rebuttal for it.

But the problem more often than not is that violations to people’s freedoms come from the police, not despite the police.

That's a separate issue. Just because such an issue exist, that doesn't invalidate or delegitimize this issue.

This is the closest you are getting to Canadian reality. Private religious schools need to follow the provincial curriculum as defined in each province. There has been in fact push back eg in Ontario about forcing them to teach sex ed. Quebec has similar requirements. The private schools don’t like it, but they have to do it regardless. Public funding for private religious schools is definitely something many Canadians would like to see chopped.

I would take it a step further, on top of making them follow the provincial curriculums, I would hold the schools with repeated violations accountable by suspending their licenses to teach.

That’s not a thing around here.

Sex segregation is a very big part of islam. It's more common than you think.

https://mua.ca/about-us/ (this is an actual school in Canada that openly advertises gender segregation)

https://nationalpost.com/full-comment/tasha-kheiriddin-religion-has-no-place-in-public-school-and-neither-does-sexism

https://csrs.nd.edu/evaluations/canadian-islamic-schools-unraveling-the-politics-of-faith-gender-knowledge-and-identity/

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/01/31/clashes-over-religiously-motivated-gender-segregation-canadian-british-campuses

This is unfortunately way more common than you think.

Our last blasphemy law was repealed a few years ago. I don’t know what public policy would red “explicitly iterate” our Charter freedoms.

It's more of upholding current principles and policies rather than adding new ones. It's becoming increasingly more common for things like defacing the quran, drawing pictures of mohammad, criticizing islamic scriptures, calling out islamic traditions like how mohammad raped a 9 year old girl, or calling certain aspects of islamic culture like gender segregation and homophobia are being labeled as islamophobic or hate crimes and are being shut down. There's obviously some people who do some actions that does cross the line and become hate crimes, but the things that I listed are not those things.

But more funding for victims of abuse? Sure!

Yippie, we agree on two things in a list of things that should be common sense.

The cons pitched a “barbaric practices” hotline a few years back that was a right joke. They are still being ridiculed for it and are trying to distance themselves for it.

Yeah... no, I'm thinking something more along the line of the FBI tips system where anyone can easily find and file report about potentially dangerous individuals or groups to the FBI so they can at least investigate it. As far as I'm aware Canada does not have anything that's similar to that.

Other than that, Canada does have a robust security and intelligence establishment thank you very much.

Clearly there's a lot of room for improvement considering how this incident just happaned.